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CO Issues Statement On CLE  
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

In response to some local media reports that said CO was actively pursuing closing the hub in CLE, CO issued the following statement today:

CONTINENTAL AIRLINES REFUTES REPORTS IT PLANES TO ELIMINATE CLEVELAND HUB

Houston, Sept 22, 2003- Continental Airlines (NYSE-CAL) today issued the following statement in response to media reports that the airlien will possibly close it's hub at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

"Continental Airlines is not planning to eliminate it's hub operations at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. The airline has been gradually increasing service this year at Hopkins, our third largest hub and home to more thant 3,000 Continental and Continental Express employees. The airline will continue to adjust its schedule to accomodate seasonal changes in demand, ans it has doen since the hub operation began in 1988.

"For example, the aiarlien on Monday announced new, seasonal nonstop service to Daytona Beach and Sarasota, Fl, along with increased seasonal service to Fort Lauderdale, Miami, Orlando, and West Palm Beach, Fl, San Juan, PR and Los Angeles. This year, Continental Airlines has introduced nonstop service from Cleveland to 15 cities. In total, Continental offers approximately 250 daily departures from Hopkins to nearly 80 cities.

"Cleveland Hopkins contineues to be the most improtant airport serving Northeast Ohio for its tremendous contribution to the regional economy. The City of Cleveland and Hopkins management have worked hard to reduce costs and to help make air service in Cleveland more productive for all air carriers.

"While the U.S. aviation industry has faced numerous challenges over the past several years, Continental believes that its route network, focused on hubs in Houston, New York, Cleveland and Guam, positions the airline for success."

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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

"We will not cut benefits from OnePass, our industry-leading frequent flyer program, because we remain committed to rewarding our most loyal customers."

-- Gordon Bethune


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

IndustrialPate, stop being so anal over all of this.

And remember, the OnePass program CAN change at anytime, without out notice. God, but people like you are so cross. Get over it, already.


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

That quote was from last year, made just a couple weeks before CO made major changes to OP. My point was that if CO would lie about that, why wouldn’t they lie about their position on CLE?

BTW, I’ll re-qualify for NW Platinum in 2004 whether or not they match DL/CO’s 50% EQM. However, it pisses me off when my company pays almost $3K for a DTW-EWR-LGW ticket & I can’t upgrade it but meanwhile persons like Artysman brag they non-rev almost weekly to LGW, often in BF... “Work Hard, Fly Right.”

[Edited 2003-09-24 04:55:24]

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

So the quote was from last year. Big deal. Things change, or haven't you learned that yet? Apparently not, by the looks of it. But it's really pointless arguing with you on this-you'll stick to being pissed off. Fine by me.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic.


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Things change, or haven't you learned that yet?

Things like that don't change in two weeks. CO press releases mean nothing. Bye-Bye Continental (from CLE), hello JetBlue/AirTran!

[Edited 2003-09-24 05:02:05]

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

IndustrialPate, life doesn't stand still; neither do businesses. Do I think the situation will change in CLE in a few weeks? No. Could it? Of course it could-anything could happen in a matter of weeks, but maybe you're not smart enough to have figured that out.

Maybe you're stuck in neutral, and think the world doesn't change, but it does, so you can go be bitter about OnePass changing, and let it eat you up, but maybe if that's the case, you should take stock of what's really important in your life.


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

didnt CO tell us coloradans that CO was here to stay back in 91?and pena(the mayor) goes and gets us to drink the kool aid and spend the money to build dia look what they did...they deserted den and thousands of employees,i know gordo was not running the mother ship at that time but, its just a matter of time before gordon closes cle as well. i recall they had a hub in iad back in the 80s didnt they??and moved it to cle when ua moved to iad from cle, sounds like a conspiracy to me


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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

Alpha 1 - you're the one who's impossible to argue with. Have you ever criticised CO? Even once? It just seems that any time someone criticises CO, you come along and insult them.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12147 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4619 times:
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Speaking as someone who lives here in CLE, the CLE airport and the new airport director, the new mayor of Cleveland are doing everything to not only keep CO here and there hub in place, they are making improvements to the airport and have lowered fees associated with using the airport across the board for all airlines. So until something happens and I myself doubt it will change anytime soon, it will all be rumors so speculate away it makes a good read.


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Maybe if CO actually added frequency to CLE, business travelers would find it attractive... no flights on Saturday to places such as St. Louis? Only two daily, poorly timed flights to Detroit? Up until recently, no year-round service to Seattle...

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

...they deserted den and thousands of employees..

I suppose, since CO was losing like $100 million a year, and was doing so for a number of years, shouldn't have mattered?

Have you ever criticised CO? Even once?

Not often, but I have. I have to be honest and say that since Gordon got here, I think he's done a great job. I did critisize the way CO handled the buyback from NW, and thought it would bite us in the ass-and it did, money-wise after 9/11. I will critisize when I think it's warrented.

IndustrialPate, do you not think airlines study markets to death-probably too much, even? Carriers are not going to fly somewhere (with few exceptions like Florida or Vegas) where they don't think money will be made. If the numbers tell them you won't make money CLE-STL on saturdays, then they won't run them. I've seen some of the numbers for saturdays, when full schedules were run-they were atrocious, hence the reduction in service.

Since neither you nor I are privy to all the numbers, I think I'll give the benefit of the doubt to those who do deal with those numbers on a daily basis, and adjust the schedules to where they think the money can be made.


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Things like that don't change in two weeks. CO press releases mean nothing. Bye-Bye Continental (from CLE)

Does sound likely, IMO. Of course, they'll probably wrap in into a press release saying "Flights increased from CLE to MIA" (and in the fine print..."overall, we are eliminating 80% of all flights from CLE")

 Smile

Steve


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

I'll give you that... but as long as I can remember, CLE's never had more than 200-250 daily departures for CO.

- - -

I think it's ridiculous that CO has threatened CLE. No doubt CO has an impact on CLE’s economy, but if CO were to leave, CLE would attract attention from JetBlue, AirTran (both airlines indicated interest in a Midwestern hub), etc. Perhaps the true reason many locals are flocking to CAK is because there’s better service (not just better fares). If that’s the case, who can blame them? CLE will do just fine w/o CO, and I’m certain the opposite’s true.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Does sound likely, IMO.

And, uh, of course, you're privy to some good inside info, right? Another armchair Quarterback who doesn't have a clue.  Laugh out loud

But if you can armchair QB, so can I. I think, for at least the next year or two, the CLE hub is in no jeopardy, save some unforseen event like, God forbid, another 9/11. In that time, it's most likely the economy will continue on a slow improvement. If the CLE hub is still struggling financially when the economy does rebound, and when yields go up, then CO may have no choice but to look hard at the future of the hub. However, if the CLE numbers improve along with the economy and the yields, then I don't think there's any cause for concern at the moment.

And again, for those of you who want things never to change, you're not being realistic. Companies who don't adapt and change will not survive. Change, in some form, is inevitable, so stop worrying about it, or bitching up a storm about it.  Smile


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

alpha1,
do u really think co was losing $100 a yr back in the early 90s in den???the only other hub back then was iah....if they were losing that much money, frank and his posse would have pulled out long before that,co was making money in den, why did they do what they did to den by signing a contract to use the entire A concourseamd build that hanger which still has the co name on it in den then announce that we are going bk and cya???



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

I think it's ridiculous that CO has threatened CLE.

How has CO threatened CLE in any way? This press release was put out in response to what CO obviously sees as erronious reporting. How is that a threat in any way, shape or form? I don't understand where you get that from.

As for the rest, there have been rumors that JetBlue is interested in coming to CLE, but with the still-high landing fees here, I don't think they'd consider more than a small presence here. And, if fees were to come down, that could only help CO be more viable in CLE, and spur new service. As for Airtran, they seem extremely pleased with their CAK operations, and there's been talk they're going to start up CAK-BWI in the near future.

Would SOME service be made up if CO/COEX left? Certainly. Would enough be made up to really cushion the blow of CO leaving. I doubt it. Looking at the history of carriers in CLE, if CO would leave, after UA did the same a generation ago, I don't think any other carriers would follow in their footsteps for quite a long time.


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

alpha1
so u admit that cle is not the cash cow???how much are they losing in cle???if co would throw in a couple of euro flts i think it could work but until then??



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

so u admit that cle is not the cash cow???

CLE has never been a "cash cow". I doubt many hubs right now are, among the majors, since most are bleeding money left and right.

how much are they losing in cle???

Right now? A lot. I saw the first half numbers, and they were bad, but the numbers were internal numbers, and I can't share them here. Sorry. The only person I shared them with is B747-437B, so he can vouch for me that it was a lot of money. Many of the employees were showed the numbers, and the numbers also indicate that the losses are decreasing.

if co would throw in a couple of euro flts i think it could work but until then??

A few flights to Europe might be sexy, and, if B-First does well, they will generate some profit, but they're not a cure-all. For all the majors, fares and yields need to rise to a level where profits can be maintained. When CO and other carriers are averaging summer load factors in the low to mid 80% range, that tells you neither fares nor yields are where they should be. There are rumors about CLE-AMS, but that won't, by itself, make the hub consistently profitable.


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

How has CO threatened CLE in any way?

Bethune mentioning (more than once, I might add) that CO isn’t afraid of leaving CLE, especially if business travelers continued to fly ex-CAK to save a few bucks, is a threat IMO.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3418 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

having been accepted to a flight planning job with CO in 1998, I was told that CLE was a "focus city" and most people in that dept (at the time) refused to identify CLE as anything more than that although we all know that it is a hub. I always found that a little odd. They were very hesitant whenever speaking about CLE. They knew IAH and EWR were the money makers. I turned down the job, but have always remebered those odd conversations.

Having said that, from someone who is very neutral to this "arguement," I doubt CO would just pack up and leave CLE anytime soon. Airlines don't walk away from any significant investment nowadays and it would be a PR nightmare if they went against their word now. Not to start another thread here, but where exaclty would they move all those flighst to. Last time I checked, IAH and EWR weren't exacly hanging out "For Rent" signs all over thier airports...


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Bethune mentioning (more than once, I might add) that CO isn’t afraid of leaving CLE, especially if business travelers continued to fly ex-CAK to save a few bucks, is a threat IMO.

I don't see it as a threat, so I guess we differ on that as well.  Smile

I saw it as one thing-a ploy to get the City of Cleveland serious about lowering landing fees. That statement followed shortly after some idiot in City Council said the fees shoudln't be lowered. Fees in CAK are much smaller than in CLE, and the CLE fees-something like the 4th highest in the nation, are just killing the carriers here. That was a gift from the idiot who was mayor up until a year ago. It's the reason WN has never expanded here, and one of the reasons why Airtran and JetBlue aren't here.

The city did lower-temporarily-landing fees by like 18%, or something like 70 cents per 1000lbs landing weight. The city and the carriers, especially CO, are discussing long-term landing fee cuts, and other ways to cut costs for the carriers at Hopkins.


User currently offlineKwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Jusst because an airline says "we are committed to..." does not mean they willl do as they have "promised". 6 months (or less) prior to Delta's announcement that PDX would be closed as it's transpacific hub, DL said "we are committed to PDX being our Asian gateway and are looking to expand". We all know what happened shortly thereafter. IN fact, they even had applied for rights to China from PDX. As someone else mentioned, CO gave the same statements in Denver, AA in STL & SJC & RNO. Airlines are going to do what they think will make them more money so if a year down the road, CO thinks closing CLE as ahub will help their bottom line, they'll do it. Having said that, I do think CO needs to keep the CLE hub for critical mass and Cle seems to be a good fit for them.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

Not to start another thread here, but where exaclty would they move all those flighst to.

You mean planes? It's not a big deal -- CO could retire the MD-80 and park some of the B737 classics if they wanted.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

You mean planes? It's not a big deal -- CO could retire the MD-80 and park some of the B737 classics if they wanted.

Easy to say, but we mostly fly 73G's, 738's and 739's out of CLE. There are a few MD-80's, 735's and 733's, but nowhere near as many as there used to be. Again, it would be a big deal, because if you close CLE, it leaves a huge void in the midwest that EWR, for all it's value to the CO system, can't make up for because of capacity constraints.

You make it sound so easy to just pull the plug on CLE, but without a more viable option-and show me one in the midwest right now-it would just mess up CO/COEX's system.


25 PVD757 : planes, flights, critical mass, service, markets, whatever you want to call you don't just shut a hub down, it involves a massive logistical chess gam
26 Post contains images Cdfmxtech : I love this place. It was just a matter of time before everyone really had (or think they have) something to bitch about Continental for. Now it is of
27 Deltaflyertoo : With all due respect, CLE is the lamest hub of all the US airline hubs in the country. Just glancing the flight schedules in and out of there should g
28 N766UA : You know, United sent their VP of Operations to Cleveland a while back to tell all the UA employees that CLE was there to stay as a hub. A year later
29 N766UA : CO knows it will be a month of discomfort for the 3000+ people they let go, some negative press, then everyone is over it My mom was layed off from Co
30 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Just glancing the flight schedules in and out of there should give one a clue of how insignificant it is. ROTFL. Deltaflyertoo, you don't put a schedu
31 N766UA : Alpha1: Thanks. Actually, she's not so bitter about being layed off, it's more that she's angry they wouldn't take her back. See, they layed her off s
32 Luv2fly : I think this thread is interstice about how CLE is a step away from being closed up as a hub, yet there is another thread about the step cuts coming t
33 Ncflyer : This is what I wonder. If CLE is a marginal hub at best, then what the heck is CVG for DL? That airport has terrible O&D (and unbelievably high fares,
34 Post contains images LambertMan : Well first CVG doesnt have outrageously high landing fees(Don't gimme that they are low crap, they aren't even though they lowered them they are still
35 Alpha 1 : Well first CVG doesnt have outrageously high landing fees(Don't gimme that they are low crap, they aren't even though they lowered them they are still
36 Post contains images LambertMan : Ahh excuse me....I was referring to CLE when I said that. I meant CVG didn't have outrageously high landing fees. Plus, that goes completely against t
37 Klwright69 : "With all due respect, CLE is the lamest hub of all the US airline hubs in the country." And this is coming from a DL person? First off, I have flown
38 Luv2fly : What we have in CLE NOW is a Mayor who is working to make CLE and the airport better than they ever where. Yes landing fees have been lowered even if
39 Post contains images Tommy767 : So that's it? IAH and EWR? Surely there is going to be another CO hub on the rise
40 Alpha 1 : Surely there is going to be another CO hub on the rise. Where, may I ask? STL? Not with a huge WN presence there. DEN? Not as long as UA is there, DEN
41 WorldTraveler : Lambertman, you do realize that Delta has the highest average seat count in the their domestic fleet of any US carrier? that doesn't come because Delt
42 Alpha 1 : WorldTraveler, the biggest reason DL has widebodies/757's in CVG and SLC has nothing to do with how "well" they build a hub; it has to do with the fac
43 Post contains images LambertMan : Nicely stated Alpha! And btw, I'm sure NW, AA, UA, or US knows how to build a hub.
44 Alpha 1 : And also, all those widebodies are a double-edge sword. In good times, when seats are full AND yields are high, those widebodies/757's can be cash cow
45 Luv2fly : Well US might need a leason or two on hub building 101 as they seem to be struggling with one of there's at the moment.
46 Yyz717 : WorldTraveler, the biggest reason DL has widebodies/757's in CVG and SLC has nothing to do with how "well" they build a hub; it has to do with the fac
47 Alpha 1 : Not true Alpha 1. DL has done a better job of building the CVG and SLC hubs....which then require widebodies. Actually, it is true, Yyz717. Do you thi
48 WorldTraveler : If Delta was simply dumping capacity in CVG and SLC, it would be apparent in their DOT filings based on average fare and load factor. Every indication
49 Zrs70 : Which airlines have hubbed (or mini hubbed) in CLE in the past? UA NW US What did those carriers do wrong?
50 Yyz717 : Alpha, most airlines order wide bodies based on demand...DL is a larger airline than CO and hence had a greater demand for wide bodies. They have also
51 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Alpha, most airlines order wide bodies based on demand...DL is a larger airline than CO and hence had a greater demand for wide bodies. I don't know i
52 CLEfan : One reason that Delta runs many more widebodies through CVG is because there is substantially more feed there. DL serves many more cities out of CVG t
53 Luv2fly : The CO hub at CLE has not been developed sufficiently to warrant large transfer passengers on key routes such as CLE-LAX/IAH/LGW hence widebodies are
54 Alpha 1 : The CO hub at CLE has not been developed sufficiently to warrant large transfer passengers on key routes such as CLE-LAX/IAH/LGW hence widebodies are
55 WorldTraveler : Alpha1, you are correct that CO has a much smaller percentage of widebodies in their fleet and their average aircraft size domestically is at the low
56 SuperDash : Here's the deal. Cleveland is surrounded by large hubs at Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. CO now codeshares with NW and DL making DTW and
57 Tommy767 : Actually, I think CO would do quite well in MCI, considering there is no current hub there. It would be an IDEAL connection spot for connecting on XC
58 N766UA : Columbus is the biggest city in Ohio Cleveland is larger than Columbus by a couple hundred thousand people and there's alot more business....
59 SuperDash : Swing and a miss....CMH is 711,470 vs. CLE at a measly 478,403. I guess that's why CMH has a hockey team and one of the biggest Universities in the wo
60 N766UA : No you misunderstand, counting suberbs Cleveland is near 1 million while Columbus is about 650,000. I do beleive suburbanites fly too?
61 N766UA : Rather, 850,000 Columbus. They have a much smaller business base as well.
62 Alpha 1 : No you misunderstand, counting suberbs Cleveland is near 1 million... Actually, if you go within 90 minutes of Hopkins Airport, the population is abou
63 SuperDash : www.census.gov If you count the catch area of CLE you are correct 1.7M people vs. 1.5M in CMH. However, this is a revenue game. According to the censu
64 CALMSP : UNITED still had a hub at ORD when they had CLE. We basically switched operations from our "hub" in IAD to CLE and UAL took IAD.
65 Post contains images LambertMan : Uhh...Superdash, the CLE metro area is not 1.7 million people I don't care what ya say. I believe it is something around 2.9 million? And well to prov
66 SuperDash : Dude, I know that you might think you are bigger than you really are, but really it's only 1.7. The rest of the residents left and moved to Florida. A
67 Post contains images LambertMan : Umm...no but we have a hockey team, and more than 20 people go to each game. Has STL had two football teams? St Louis Cardinals St Louis Rams Before I
68 Post contains links MasseyBrown : http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t3/tab03.pdf The US Census Bureau says: Cleveland Metropolitan Area 2.9 million Columbus Metropolitan Are
69 Post contains images LambertMan : Massey, my lord and savior. Many thanks.
70 Motech722 : Alpha 1, I was wondering where this press release came out at? I went to the Continental website, and saw no sort of press release such as this. I was
71 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Umm...no but we have a hockey team, and more than 20 people go to each game. I went to a BlueJackets game at Nationwide Arena two years ago with my ol
72 Post contains images LambertMan : Oh no alpha, I know the support in Columbus is unbelievable for the Blue Jackets. I was talking about Gund Arena and the Cavs.
73 Spence : Has Air Tran or Southwest looked at Burke Lakefront?
74 ChrisNH : This isn't even a frigging article...it's all made up. There are grammatical errors from the headline right down through the story. What kind of an Ei
75 B747-437B : I've been following this thread with interest and wanted to chime in here. For starters, I will vouch for Alpha1 here. The press release is legit - yo
76 Luv2fly : B747-437B Well said. As someone who lives in the Cleveland area, I see all the CO support for the area, be it sponsorship of programs, billboard adve
77 N766UA : Has Air Tran or Southwest looked at Burke Lakefront? Only Continental has rights to fly from BKL.
78 BoingGoingGone : The only thing I see happening at CLE that I guess some would call a negative is the de-peakign of flights to maximize utilization and the proliferati
79 Alpha 1 : This isn't even a frigging article...it's all made up. There are grammatical errors from the headline right down through the story. What kind of an Ei
80 Post contains links Alpha 1 : Here's a link to the article that B747-437B was so kind as to put on his site. http://www.airwhiners.net/images/corelease.jpg Now, is everyone happy?
81 Post contains images B747-437B : This isn't even a frigging article...it's all made up. There are grammatical errors from the headline right down through the story. What kind of an Ei
82 N766UA : I'm pretty sure Alpha1 hand typed the article, hence the errors. You definatly owe an apology for that one, ChrisNH.
83 SuperDash : By the way, the CLE MSA (metropolitan statistical area) includes Akron/Canton. That's not part of CLE's primary catch area for air service since CAK h
84 Uadc8contrail : lets not forget about the den hub co had back in the 80s..........
85 Alpha 1 : That's not part of CLE's primary catch area for air service since CAK has airservice including low fares. So they have airservice? So they have low fa
86 Luv2fly : Alpha 1 Your commitment to CO and CLE is top notch and thanks for all the insight and useful information. Keep up the fight I am here as well, tho yo
87 CLEfan : CAK has very limited airservice, mostly to Florida, Atlanta, NYC, and the hubs of the airlines that serve the airport. The catchment area for CLE is v
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