Boieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
in all due respect you don't think you've been posting a bit too many things on Cardiff lately? I can see that your deeply attached to your airport, but think a bit before creating topics that are very similar to each other. I'm just trying to give you a bit of advice and don't want to be mean here but I'm sure after a while people are going to get sick of daily CWL posts on here. Just some advice...
Cardiff will probably never be a huge airport due to the fact that you aren't that far away from London, where the yields and demand are certainly way higher.
ACEregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 674 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2550 times:
Sorry, have to say I have noticed the same thing too, I love my local NCL, but accept that it is a regional airport and only long hauls are usually charter movements. I think people will be getting a little tired of CWL posts and you may be better asking more general questions, as I am sure you would like to learn more about aviation outside you local airport.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12715 posts, RR: 80 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2438 times:
Well BA Capt Thompson and his crew enjoyed their stay at CWL last week, even though it was unscheduled while flying Concorde G-BOAG.
Not for the facilities or anything about the services there, but when they combined an air-test with the ferry back to LHR, (via the Bay Of Biscay), the proximity of CWL to the Severn Estuary and lack of noise abatement rules allowed a 21 deg attitude, reaching 28FL and Mach 1 in four minutes, Mach 2 48FL eight minutes after that!
TransGlobal2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 88 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2421 times:
Actually EGFFbmi, your post yesterday sparked my interest in visiting Cardiff. I've always wanted to visit Wales and now you've got me thinking. CWL have a lovely web-site, and I'd like to try some of the low cost carriers there, like FR and WW.
Cambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 617 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2340 times:
Ok, I am going to put in a good word for Cardiff, as it is my hometown but I am exiled in London.
The facilities there are pretty poor, especially when compared to the new terminal at BRS. But there is some variety for spotters at CWL, especially when there are rugby charters for international matches during the winter.The location is also very good, near to the coast. Soon a rail link will re-open between the airport and the city.
Other contributors to this thread are correct- Cardiff will never be an international hub, but on the positive side, BMI Baby chose CWL, and Air Wales has expanded services in recent months. I fly with them to CWL from LCY regularly, and that route seems to be quite popular. CWL also has regular charters to the US and Canada.
But the fact that BA pulled out was a real blow.
I think that the airport's old slogan, "Large enough to cope, small enough to care" pretty much sums it up.
EGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2122 times:
TransGlobal2 I'm glad someone likes my posts! LOL! If you do travel from CWL I suggest all the routes with WW LOL except for Jeresy always delays there! With FR well there's 1 Dublin LOL! I do suggest you try CWL - LCY on an Air Wales - ATR-42 amazing crew, plane etc
BRS superior? umm I don't quite think so! BRS Has EasyJet, CWL has BMIbaby! BRS has FlyBE, CWL has Air Wales! BRS + CWL have the same sort of airlines, low cost, charter and UK regional! BUT The one difference is CWL has flights to USA + Canada unlike BRS
Also BRS = a very small runway, what is the biggest they can land there 757?
CWL can handle A/C as big as the 747 easily + CONCORDE
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3191 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
CWL - nearest airport for me but while I have not flown from it my father has. It is a lovely little facility but has suffered from proximity to Bristol, which offers a larger catchment area and has thus attracted more flights, especially to Europe. The cessation of BA's flights to CWL with the moniker that pax should head to BRS testifies to this. Nonetheless bmibaby's services have done well and the charters are always popular.
Access to the facility is the weak point as it is several miles outside of Cardiff and accessible by A-roads which are somewhat long and winding. The rail link with Cardiff Central (via Barry) is not expected until 2005 due to the need for signalling upgrades along the line. So, the remoteness that enables it to operate 24 hours daily and not have noise abatement procedures also is a hindrance. That said, from what I have heard from many, Lulsgate is no better in that regard.
All the same, CWL is a great airport and I hope to fly from it soon.
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 563 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2000 times:
Yo, I didn't even know what or where CWL was until you posted these messages. Anyone that thinks you are overposting CWL, well, they don't have to read the message. May you get Q400's early and often. Rock on my man! And that's a good thing.
GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1978 times:
CWL should pass the 2 million pax a year mark this year, so I dont know where you get the 3.5million pax a year figure. As for BRS, they should pass the 4 million, not 5 million.
Neither CWL or BRS can handle a 747 or Concorde fully loaded.
BTW, BRS has flights to the Gambia
"Be honest who do you think CO will choose, CWL or BRS?"
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12426 posts, RR: 40 Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1946 times:
I don't think they will either,
I'm not that bothered really, and I don't particularly like BRS either, I've had some good memories from there but its not a great airport by any means, and if you live where I do its a bitch to get too, the runway is too small and its on a hill with lots of mist and fog through the winter months.
Yes, I've heard about 2.2-2.4m for CWL and 4.5-4.8m for BRS, but we've had up to 20,000 passengers a day at peak times.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2572 posts, RR: 59 Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 1906 times:
Last winter's GLA-BRS-BJL flights were operated by an air2000 757 not a 767!
Due to the low loads experienced, this winter the tour operator involved, The Gambia Experience, have contracted Astraeus to operate the GLA-BRS-BJL using a 737-700. Unfortunately none of Astraeus' aircraft have any IFE, so it will be a looong flight!
Cambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 617 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 1852 times:
The worst thing about being at CWL from a passenger perspective has to be the poor facilities- the long climb up a flight of stairs (no escalator) from check in to the departure lounge; the lack of views onto the runway once you have cleared Security; dodging holidaymakers determined to get as tanked up as they possibly can before boarding their charter flight. Not a great experience...
The viewing terrace has been "temporarily closed" ever since I can remember too.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 1840 times:
Are you thinking of the infamous Iberia A300 incident circa 1984 (EC-DNR I believe it was) which ended up going off the runway? (Operated an Aviaco charter...I don't recollect too many IB aircraft at MAN doing AO services!)
GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 25, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1808 times:
David, nah, Im sure a MON A300 once operated a one-off charter into EGGD in the last 2 or 3 years.
Just looked through the a.net photo database and found it was operating a Lourdes charter, unfortunatly its a plug for one of Dan's pics