Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4540 posts, RR: 13 Posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12057 times:
This must sound like a dumb question, but I hear you all talking about "non-reving" all the time, but I have no clue what this means.
Based on the name it sounds like you're saying you're flying without booking a flight....how can you do this legally. Don't you have to pay an outragous walkup fare to do something like this, or do you fly free. And if so, why would any airline let someone fly for free? (unless they were an employee or something)
Tell me about this non-rev thing. I'm really curious as to what it is but I don't think I'll ever be trying it, it sounds pretty risky to attempt...that is if it is what I'm thinking it is. And how do you get past security with no boarding pass/airline ticket? At SLC they won't let you past security unless you have an airline ticket.
Sorry for asking this question. It's probably obvious to everyone but me.
Futterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12032 times:
most airline employess are given benefits on behalf of the airline [perhaps to compensate for the 'pay'? lol]. non-reving is simply non-revenue--flying for free. the airline provides the employee with a ticket and a boarding pass, minus the greenbacks.
i have become friends with someone in a high place, and have been offered the possiblity of flying jumpseat with him, 'non-rev' from JFK->LAX, then first class from LAX->JFK. well, i may have to pay $20 bucks, but its close enough to non-rev .
im not even an airline employee, so maybe someone who actually works on the ramp could give a better explanation.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4427 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12001 times:
Non-revving is basically a perk offered to airline employees.
The actual rules and regulations around non-revving change from airline to airline but basically it is synonymous with flying standby.
For example, on most airlines, if you work for them, you can fly non-revenue for free. As it is standby, it is generally first-come first-served and you get whatever seats might be available. Non-revving still puts you in the computer and on the plane's manifest, so no laws are broken. But it is not a 'reservation', meaning a reserved seat; a more appropriate term is 'listing' for the flight. Only when it has been determined that there is room for you as a 'non-revver' will the airline 'reserve' you on the flight and give you a seat - this is often done at the gate.
Most airlines also have agreements with other airlines to allow employees to travel non-rev. It is a great way to see the country and the world! On other airlines, there are generally set fees and "tickets" issued at a nominal cost, typically $25 each way within the USA. Add to that taxes and fees, but it is still a cheap way to travel.
The only major drawback to non-revving is that you can be denied boarding if a flight is full. It pays to be FLEXIBLE! Be prepared to spend an extra day (or night) in a city you might have wanted to leave. And pretty much forget it around the holidays - you could be stuck for days!!
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4427 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11987 times:
OH yeah, airlines typically give their employees Buddy Passes, which essentially are stand-by coupons that they can give to friends or family not covered by the non-rev policies.
Obviously these are controlled and cannot be sold for a price, etc.
F9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11946 times:
Stand-by is when you have a flight at say 4:00, and you show up for the 2:00 flight and asked to be put on the stand-by list. If they have extra space, they will allow you on that flight instead of the later one. It often involves a lot of sitting around at the gate however.
Swafa30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11869 times:
Just to add a little additional info...Non-revs are usually broken into 2 categories, NRSA(Non-Revenue Space Avaliable) and NRPS(Non-Revenue Positive Space) 'Space Available' is pretty self explanatory, 'Positive-Space' is hard to come by but is generally applies to an extra fee that allows you to purchase a confirmed seat. ATA used to allow non-revs to purchase positive space travel to Hawaii from LAX for $250 round trip and you could take a non-airline friend with you. Positive Space pass riders can usually be bumped if the flight begins to oversell. As a crewmember when I deadhead on line to position for a trip, I am booked as a Non Revenue Must Ride in these cases in the event of an oversale, a revenue passenger would have to be bumped to ensure that I had a seat on the flight.
As some have mentioned non-rev passes can be a flat fee or in many cases you pay a percentage of what paying customer would pay. Most non-rev tickets are issued at an ID90, ID75, or ID50 rate. ID stands for interline discount and the '90' represents the percentage of discount. This is a 90 percent discount off the full coach fare. A ticket that would cost a paying customer $1000 can be purchased by an airline employee at an ID90 discount price of $100. Tickets can somtimes be purchased at the ticket counter on the day of travel but in most cases you must go through your company's pass bureau which verifies your eligibility for the discount(some carriers make you work for 1 full year before they extend a discount) calculates the fare and issues the tickets. The cost of passes in many cases can be deducted from your paycheck.
With rock bottom internet fares available on many routes, sometimes you 'discount' is not the cheapest way to go and spending a few extra bucks is worth knowing you have a confirmed seat.
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6726 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11694 times:
We get one free return ticket on 2 sectors every year at my airline. All other tickets are basically ID90, which means we pay 10% of the ticket cost. My parents also get the ID90 privilege as does my wife and my kids. No friends or buddies though.
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11623 times:
I just got back from Pass Bureau Association conference in Seattle last week and most of us are getting away from ID-90s and going to a service fee rate (my airline is $25 each way for JetBlue, Frontier, Trans States, Mesa Air Group, Colgan, CommutAir, etc... employees, for example).. and some airlines pay more, some pay less...
BHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1387 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11562 times:
I'm not an employee, but I travel extensively as a non-rev (US and North Atlantic) D3 with American, thru my father, and prior to that with TWA EEE (Extended Employee Eligibility). AA allows me to travel F class (TWA did not) anywhere they fly for a fraction of what Mr. Rich Executive would pay.
AA has simplified their travel process as well. They have a website where you list your passengers as travel companions (they do not have to travel with the employee). They are listed there with Drivers License #, SSAN, and passport number. You can access flight schedules and see how many pax are booked and how many non-revs are listed, which allows you to pick and choose how you want to travel. Fees and taxes for the flight are deducted from the employee's paycheck. The whole process is very simple, very convenient.
Can't speak for other airlines, but AA takes care of their non-revs....
Ba299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11471 times:
BA crew has free tkt so we pay only the boarding taxes. It's enough the crew badge and we can go to every BA ticket counter to take our ticket. BA Employees has ID90 and they follow the same procedure.
ID90 are also for the member of my family and the travel partner.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11440 times:
At CO, you have to pay a minimal fee for your passes that you and your family can use, up until you've completed 10 years of service. After that, domestic coach travel is free. After 25 years, domestic is free, regardless if it's first or coach.
If you travel on another carrier, you usually have to pay a fee, usually for a 75% or 90% discount off the full one-way Y fare. However, from station to station, airlines can and do have local deals to let each other fly for nothing on them. Although, usually, then number of passes that a carrier will allow another one in a given month is limited.