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Why No Russian Planes To The US?  
User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 5524 times:
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Just curious.

Why are there no Russian aircraft flying revenue service to the U.S.? Aeroflot used to fly IL-86, IL-96 and IL-62M to the U.S. Mavial Magadan used to fly TU-154's to SEA.

What happened? Is it the Stage 3 rule? Is it their safety record?

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User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

As far as the Antonov 225 is concerned, I have seen it at ANC, BWI, JFK, and NZY. It must be making revenue in some fashion.

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I know the Illyushin 62 to be earsplitting at takeoff. No doubt that is part of the reason it is no longer in revenue service in the US. Its famous accident at Ted Stevens International Airport is another.

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The Tupolev 154 is also earsplitting at takeoff. That is no doubt why it is no longer flown into Seattle by any airline.

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User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

Both the Illyushin 86 and Illyushin 96 have been flown into Los Angeles (LAX).

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Aeroflot flights into both LAX and IAD have been replaced by 767 aircraft.



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

Short answer....they are loud.

I doubt the tail incident here at ANC had anything to do with the russian jets.

And Mavial still drops a TU-154 into here about 5 am every Friday....Occasionally it is substituted with a IL-62.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3144 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5305 times:

I've only seen one russian jet, and as I recall it had two pilots, an engineer, navigator, and radio operator. I guess that was finacially feasable in the days of communism when everybody had to have a job. Maybe this has something to do with it as well?


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

I remember seeing IL-96's a few times at LAX back in the '90s. I wish I'd appreciated them more when I saw them.


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User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5160 times:

Worldperks,

The Aeroflot Il-62M vs. Asiana 747-400 accident at Anchorage was 100% the fault of the Asiana pilot. I will search for the accident report right now.

The Il-62 was parked with no passengers or crew aboard (maybe just a cleaner, according to some sources).

As for the noise, the Tu-154 is marginally stage 3 compliant, and the Il-62 isn't that loud, compared to some 'classic' airliners still flying in the USA.


Ben


User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5141 times:


The funny version as told by a pilot who witnessed the whole thing:
http://www.thedamnedestthing.com/page8.html

The dry version from the NTSB:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001211X11355&ntsbno=ANC99FA012A&akey=1

The CVR transcript:
http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/cvr_oz221.shtml



User currently offlineStefandotde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

L 188: "Short answer....they are loud.

I doubt the tail incident here at ANC had anything to do with the russian jets. "

That can't be the reason, L188. We were talking about loud 727 too , also I called them dirt-catapults. The russian planes are allowed to fly to FRA too and you bet that we have much harder eco-restrictions than the US has.
Just to compare what aircrafts are still flying in the US vs. western europe.


User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1710 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

Hey, If non stage 3 Russian Jets are allowed to fly into Frankfurt, then it can not be true, that they aren't allowed to fly into the US. CANNOT.

Just ask Stefan....

Europe Good... USA Bad

(Sarcasm)

[Edited 2003-09-26 12:08:07]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Correct. Asiana was to blame.

The story I hear from a Dynair Ramper who happened to be waiting for that flight was that the plane made the gate and contrary to the marshallers instructions tried to power it around and make it.

Ended up in the Aeroflot instead.



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User currently offlineHoons90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 2999 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4991 times:
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Heard the Asiana pilot which caused that incident used to fly for Korean Air !!


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User currently offlineStefandotde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4906 times:

So anybody can tell me which russian aircraft isn't allowed to fly to the US cause of it's loudness?

User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

So anybody can tell me which russian aircraft isn't allowed to fly to the US cause of it's loudness?

As we know, Stefan, there isn't one.

For everyone else:

Most of the reason they don't fly to the USA is because the airlines who have Russian aircraft prefer to fly their western equipment (passenger perception) to 'the west'.

Besides, there are only a few airlines, and a few types that could operate to the USA anyway, given the long distances.

The Russian far-east to Alaska routes are the only ones where you will see a Tu-154 (it is only a medium range airliner), and apart from that, the Il-62 and Il-96 are the only other types which could make the distance.

Cubana won't be opening many routes to the USA in the near future either. That's a shame!

Don't forget there are some Antonovs which operate from Florida (are they still there?) and many An-124/225s in use every day in the USA.

I wish some people would get over their cold war hangups.


User currently offlineStefandotde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

@Ben: I would have been surprised that there is a restriction.

So maybe maybe airlines with older russian planes (or other planes which are very noisy) have to pay more fee when they want to use airports.
Lots of european airports do so: the louder a plane, the more fee.

And maybe that's one of the reasons why most of the eastern european airlines use younger planes from europe or the us (and also acceptance from passenger).


User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

I've seen an AN-124 at IAH once and a while.
da man



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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

most of them are not stage III compliant. too bad, i'd love to have more of them at JFK, hell even LGABig grin


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User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

To Ben from Worldperks.

Thank you for that. I'm printing the information out.  Smile



User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

I have video of a Aeroflot IL96 landing at SFO


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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2572 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4464 times:
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Tu-154Ms are stage 3 compliant. Tu-154Bs aren't and as far as I know none have been convetred to stage 3. I think the Il-62M is somewhat stage 3 compliant after all it flies in Europe. Basic Il-62s are the loud ones(they have the same engines as the Tu-154B). Il-86s are non stage 3(modified Tu-154B engines is your reason). Il-96 are quiet just like an A-340 for example. An-124s/225s fly to USA and have stage 3. It even says it on the engine nacelles.

User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Aviastar is still operating AN-26 and AN-12 turboprops out of Opa-Locka airport in North Miami Dade. I live near there and see them flying around regularly.

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

soviet/russian aircraft are percieved by westerners as being unsafe.

you will find that most of their flights from moscow to western european destinations utilize their boeing/airbus fleet. flights between moscow and eastern european and other destinations are on russian aircraft.

it's a marketing thing.



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