WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3436 times:
The 737-900 is not a true replacement for the 757 which is still a more versatile and lower cost aircraft to operate than the 739. The 757 has greater range and a higher thrust to weight ratio making it ideal for difficult markets - which alone admittedly don't keep a production line going. You also may notice that the 739 has not sold particularly well - nor has the A321. There simply are enough aircraft in the world's fleet for that size mission.
The 739 is close enough to the 757 for Boeing to decide it isn't worth keeping both lines going but I doubt if you'll see many orders of either in the near future. The 757 is a great plane and there are enough of them that have been built even in the last 5 years to keep them flying at least until 2025 or longer.
Airlines are really looking for new technology to justify spending on new planes which is why Boeing has to hit a grand slam w/ the Dreamliner and its narrowbody derivatives if they want to remain a viable player in the commerical aviation market. While Boeing downplays it publicly, this is no less critical time for Boeing than when they were developing the 747 and gambled the company's future on it.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
First of all, take anything you hear from reuters about Boeing with a grain of salt. Thay unfortunately have had thier inaccuracies. For example, in this article, they siad:
The retirement of the 757, a mid-sized workhorse of the commercial fleet since 1982, would be the first shutdown of a Boeing legacy aircraft program since the venerable 707 ran out of orders a decade ago.
I guess Reuters never heard of the 727. The 727 was shut down well before the 707 was. And the 727 stopped production nearly two decades ago, not one. And 707 production ended way before the 727.
Anyways, with the economy showing signs of recovery, I think the 753 has a brighter future than the 752. The 753 makes a lot of money for the airlines that have tham. And I just can't believe that Boeing isn't pushing the idea of a 757NG. In it's 20 year run, other than the 753, the 757 hasn't had a major upgrade. I don't think there isn't another aircraft in Boeing's history that can say that.
Cancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3123 times:
what's wrong with reuter? i think they should stay out of the aviation field, they can't get it right.
when it comes to the 739, perhaps this is what is needed to give the plane an ETOPS rating. although, i doubt it will begin serving trans atlantic routes. it is still a small plane, no matter how many seats are in it. i love the 757. i have flown on finnair 57's many times. wish LOT picked up a few.
"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2818 times:
Its an aviation matter.. Do we honestly expect the media to get the little details 100% correct.. Reuters is usually pretty good about the actual story part correct with a minimal dose of bull. We all know what the 727 is but if you put the person who wrote the article on the ramp somewhere with a 707,727,757 and an A321 do you think he could tell the difference?
Shenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1706 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2687 times:
Reuters is correct about one thing, if Boeing doesn't feel they can get some additional orders, they will shut the line. I'm sure they are discussing this with 757 operators, trying to get a good feel if there is any potential left for this airframe.
I've heard some rumors that DHL might be interested in some freighters, and you can always wonder about Delta, American and even UPS.
If these guys don't want anymore, then maybe it will be shut down.
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4425 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
To my knowledge, next year Boeing is discontinuing 757 production.
Untrue. An order for 5 Boeing 757s was just placed a little while ago, and Boeing has made no real plans to shut the line down, nor released a public statement indicating a shutdown of the line next year. What you heard was probably rumour or speculation, but it didn't come from Boeing. (thankfully). I hope the 757 remains for years to come...the problem is that the market is saturated with surplus 757 airframes. That's part of the reason that the 727 died as well...too many around for cheaper prices than buying new, leading to a sharp reduction in orders and deliveries from 1981-1983. It was saved for one more year by a large Fedex order, and then that was that. And of course the 757 also ate away some of the 727's former market.
What we have now is essentially a repeat of the past, but different. The market is saturated with 757 airframes, and a new aircraft, the 739, has the potential to eat away at much of the 757's former low-end pax load market. Fortunately for the 757, the 739 has not become popular yet, so we can't say for sure that the 739 is impacting the 757's sales. Though if the 739 didn't exist, Alaska Airlines would likely have bought 757-200s instead.
If the market picks up and the surplus 757s are put into service, and if the 739 doesn't become a massive hit, then the 757 should slowly begin to recover orders again.
Well, technically Reuters is right... 707 production ended in 1992
I'll be damned. I guess you learn something new everyday
No kidding. I thought 707 production ended in the late 1970s. I thought even the youngest Air Force KC-135s were at least 30 years old. Though if production lasted till 1992 on the Air Force 707s, I wonder if airlines in the early 90s had actually ordered some passenger 707s. I doubt it, but it would be interesting to know that there's 707s flying around that are younger than much of the world's 757 fleet, and younger than the youngest 727.
So this means the 727 was the first commercial jetliner from Boeing to end production. such a shame.
Shenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1706 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2458 times:
Mr. Phil Conduit of the Boeing Company stated during the last earnings question and answer session that shutting the 757 line down is a possibility in the not so distant future.
Yes, they sold 5 airplanes to Shanghai at a very very deep discount, but those won't even fill out the production for 2005.
You are right that youngest KC-135 is old. The last 707 airframes that rolled out of Boeing were E-3s (AWACS for Nato, Saudia Arabia) and E6s (long wire Low frequency Communication airplanes for communicationg with submerged Subs).