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Qatar Airways To Launch Geneva?  
User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=local_news&month=september2003&file=local_news200309276579.xml

Direct air link to boost Qatar-Swiss relations: Envoy
Web posted at: 9/27/2003 6:58:25
Source ::: THE PENINSULA
Ambassador of Switzerland to Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait, Jean Philippe Tissieres (left) with community members during a reception held at the Ritz Carlton Hotel on Thursday.
Source : The Peninsula/ Qassim
DOHA: The direct air-link between Doha and Geneva, which is proposed to be operated by national carrier Qatar Airways, will further boost the excellent bilateral relations between Qatar and Switzerland, Jean-Philippe Tissieres, the Swiss ambassador to Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait, said on Thursday. The ambassador disclosed that a large number of Qatari nationals were already travelling to various destinations in Switzerland and hence, such flights would encourage more to visit the country for both, business and liesure.

Speaking to The Peninsula, Tissieres, who is based in Kuwait, said that when such an air service between Doha and Geneva starts, the people of Qatar would be able to look at Geneva as a “suburb of Doha.” The ambassador was here on Thursday to meet with the nearly 50 Swiss nationals who are currently residing in Qatar and employed with various Swiss and European firms engaged in different sectors of the local industry. He hosted a reception at the Ritz-Carlton, whose general manager, Pierre Perusset is also a Swiss national, for the community.

Switzerland, he said, though not a part of the expanding European Union, continued to meet all standards laid by the bloc. “We are a part of Europe but not the EU. We retain what we call as EU compatibility,”he said. Though the Schengen visa, which is issued for travel to a large number of EU states is not valid for Switzerland, Qatari nationals who hold it can enter the country without a Swiss visa, he added. For expatriates holding Qatar residence permits however, a Swiss visa has to be procured before arrival and its issue depends upon the nationality of the traveller.

Tissieres said that the economic boom that Qatar is currently witnessing would provide an ideal platform for Swiss banks and financial institutions to open branches or permanent offices in Doha.”

Switzerland is renowned worldwide for its banking industry and we would be proud to have offices here. We would also be extremely happy to welcome any local Qatari banks who wish to open their branches in Geneva as we have the best of infrastucture and expertise required by them,”he added.

The ambassador disclosed that exports from Switzerland to Qatar during the last financial year stood at some Swiss Francs 115mn. Of this, 50 per cent was accounted for by Swiss watches and jewellery, 30 per cent by machinery and equipment imported by local firms from Switzerland, 15 per cent by medicines and chemicals and the remaining five per cent, by consumer durables and non-durables.

Tissieres however noted that a large number of indirect exports, including products made outside Switzerland for Swiss multi-nationals, were also entering the Qatari market.

Switzerland, he said, would like to welcome Qatari investment in various sectors of its industry such as hotels and tourism and manufacturing.


Anybody know anything about this?



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

I don't know if I like the idea of "Geneva as a “suburb of Doha.”", but regular Qatar Airways flights would be welcome.

Charles


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Also,
Aer Lingus will have a press conference tomorrow in Geneva, perhaps a new service to Cork on the horizon or extra frequencies to Dublin??

As for Qatar ZRH had been rumoured in a stronger way than GVA during the last few months, though Geneva is more widely known in the gulf region. I guess if they were to start service it wouldn't be before March.

Tim


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

It'll be interesting to see if an AB6 or A 332 is used for the route as their F & J class interiors/seat layout etc are quite different. Since GVA is very popular with rich high premium traffic Arabs, I wouldnt be surprised if they put an A 332 on this route.

By the way, is it easy for an airline to get 5th freedom traffic and cargo rights on the GVA-USA/CANADA-GVA route? As there is only one daily GVA-JFK-GVA flight on LX A 332.

Im sure GVA-USA-GVA sector could use a few more cities and more frequency.


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

By the way, is it easy for an airline to get 5th freedom traffic and cargo rights on the GVA-USA/CANADA-GVA route? As there is only one daily GVA-JFK-GVA flight on LX A 332.

Let's not forget Continental's daily 767-200 flight from Newark which is doing brilliantly well (load factors in the mid nineties).

Cargo isn't very important in Geneva, though this could change in the future with DHL rumoured to wanted to start a base if a new cargo side would be created on the french side of the airport.

GVA-USA seems to be pretty easy in getting 5th freedom rights. Gulf Air wants to launch Bahrain-GVA-SFO/JFK next year, whilst Thai had seriously looked into doing this a year ago.

Swiss Skies/World will soon launch the IAD-GVA-Kabul flights using md11 equipment, they have full 5th rights.

Funny that no airline has gotten into the highly demanded GVA-YUL market. Canada 3000 wanted to launch Montreal-GVA before their demise and Air Canada seems to ignore the potential of this route. It would be nice if an airline would get into this market.

There's also quite a lot of demand to Washington and Boston due to Government and pharmaceutical companies. Swiss has said that the day they are to expand international routes that could be part of the routes they would be willing to launch.

As for Qatar I also think they will launch with A332 equipment, their A300s tend to be used on high-density routes which I think GVA may not fit into exactly being a premium market.

Tim


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3915 times:

Let's not forget that the presence of UN institutions in NY and GVA also make a large contribution to pax loads on the JFK to GVA route  Smile
Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3907 times:

I don't want to pull down GVA as an important airport and market, but in the past, many airlines have tried to open up new routes but stopped again (SR especially, Swiss World to EWR - failed, Gulf Air to JFK - withdrawn, Swiss Skies never took off and nothing heard of it again, Thai stopped its GVA-ATH-BKK service after a few flights and attached GVA on the ZRH-BKK flight (for how long?), etc. etc.

It's not just the wish of every spotter to see new airlines at GVA, it's also the demand and the profitability playing the most important role!

Let's keep the fingers crossed for Qatar Airways (even though a lot of carriers from the Middle East already operate to GVA).


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3912 times:

Hey hey, don't forget (amongst others) that EI launched DUB-GVA last year and loads are apparently good enough for them to envision other routes from the Emerald Isle into GVA.
Now, if only they would start flying back to CMF Big grin
Will



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

I don't want to pull down GVA as an important airport and market, but in the past, many airlines have tried to open up new routes but stopped again (SR especially, Swiss World to EWR - failed, Gulf Air to JFK - withdrawn, Swiss Skies never took off and nothing heard of it again, Thai stopped its GVA-ATH-BKK service after a few flights and attached GVA on the ZRH-BKK flight (for how long?), etc. etc.

It's not just the wish of every spotter to see new airlines at GVA, it's also the demand and the profitability playing the most important role!

Let's keep the fingers crossed for Qatar Airways (even though a lot of carriers from the Middle East already operate to GVA).


Unique in all due respect I'd suggest you hold comments when you don't know the real facts. I guess its pretty tempting to bash Geneva. Let me just remind you which airport is posting profits right now.

I'll start with Swiss Skies, they have not been able to start due to American laws banning carriers to fly to Kabul judging the airport too dangerous. The services are set to start in the next weeks (insider news).

Swissair left Geneva because of some swiss german bastards in Bern and Zurich. Switzerland only really cares about Zurich, unfairly. Most routes were profitable and Swissair went for a hub style operation.

Thai: They started the BKK-ATH-GVA thinking that they would get 5th rights for all sectors, however the greek government blocked them out for fear that Olympic would loose some PAX. They also had plans to continue this flight on to JFK. Plans were to reroute via Abu Dhabi yet the Gulf war II came and this was pushed back. Zurich was taken as a temporary measure. From November or January (start date varies according to sources) flights will be BKK-GVA-BRU with MD-11 equipment. BTW a few flights was actually 6 months. Had thai not launched, Malaysian would have started GVA (source marketing director switzerland).

Swiss World failed because of bad management and a bad business plan. Making people pay for their meals was obviously unwelcome. The fact that the route didn't have any connection possibilities was also a draw back. Though today the route is run in a profitable way by Continental who has managed to have very good loads.

It's not just the wish of every spotter to see new airlines at GVA, it's also the demand and the profitability playing the most important role!

Well I wouldn't consider myself as a spotter but an aviation photographer. It is my wish to see new airlines come (like anybody). Geneva has a very strong reputation in the Gulf Area and is one of the destinations in europe to have the most first or business class demands and biz jet markets.

BTW ZRH isn't a perfect example of an airport which hasn't been hit by cut-backs or unprofitability.

Tim


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Unique, Tim puts accross most of the arguments pretty well. Reckless arogance killed Swissair most of all, and one of the first big mistakes they did due to that arogance was abandon Geneva, put the ZRH-GVA Pendulair shuttle (the cattle car) and expect that the Genevois and other Suisse Romands would accept to travel via Zurich. They lost some 3/4 of their Geneva passengers like that.

Other airlines quickly stepped in to fill the void, doubling or trippling frequencies. But the all-important intercontinental flights were restricted - not necessarilly by the market, but by Bern (solidly in Swissair's pockets, even today - look at what happened to the Lugano startups), which pushed demand towards Zurich or granted only code-share access via Swissair.

Geneva is a prestige destination. There are a huge number of multinationals based here, who require a lot of highly profitable Business and First Class capacity. You have a ton of rich people who have immigrated here to escape high taxes elsewhere. You have the U.N., which does not do much that is usefull but they do seem to travel a lot. You have about few dozen major mountain resorts within an hour or so from Geneva.

And don't forget that GVA has been setting passenger records every year for several years in a row now. There is plenty of room to grow here. We may not warrent a whole lot of 747s, but we sure could fill up a lot of smaller long-distance planes - which leads me to believe we will be seeing a lot of Boeing's 7E7.

Charles


User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

>Swissair left Geneva because of some swiss german bastards in Bern and Zurich.<

Sorry, but your choice of words...no comment on this.

I'd love to see Qatar serving Geneva (or Zurich...or both). But I think that we will see an A319 on that route and not a bigger plane.


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

SR3496,

Don't get me mistaken I have nothing against swiss germans and I'm sorry if I offended you, I was speaking more about politicians (the guys Unique bashes on every second post  Smile) and the swissair management.

Tim


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

But I think that we will see an A319 on that route and not a bigger plane.

I'd agree on that. Possibly all business class.

Charles


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Tim, this is a public forum and I take my right to speak out what I think!

the guys Unique bashes on every second post

Isn't this what you just have done also?


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Tim, this is a public forum and I take my right to speak out what I think!

the guys Unique bashes on every second post

Isn't this what you just have done also?


Rolf,
Wasn't critizing you on that point infact swiss politicians need to be woken up from their "heidiland" and get back to the reality of Switzerland.

It is a free forum and thank god it is, if it weren't it would be pretty boring here.

Re: Qatar a319/20s they are all configured in either a FY or JY configuration. I'm not sure but Qatar would probably aim for all FJY markets, like Gordon Bethune says "the front of the plane determines whether a route is profitable or not". Perhaps Qatar might combine GVA and ZRH on A330 service?

Tim

[Edited 2003-09-30 23:34:40]

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Boeing 747-400, Tim Feise

I can't take you serious. Your language is terribly primitive. I won't read any of your post anymore. I guess you don't understand anything about aviation. If anyone is a b.... it's you. I think you are only a Geneva chauvinist.


User currently offlineDens From Switzerland, joined Sep 2001, 309 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Hi guys,

This is an aviation forum, not a forum about the R??stigraben! So please...
I don't live in Geneva, neither in Zurich and I really don't care about which city is the best, which city has the best airport in Switzerland!
Boeing 747-400 and ZRH and all others, don't act as kids! Please, you are adults! Talk about aviation and not about problems between Swiss German and Romands!


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Kuwait Airways flies B 777s and AB6s to GVA twice a week or more, GF does a weekly A 332 service. Saudia B 747s regularly go there for visits...now QR is!
Turkish flies there too and I think MEA...right?

I wonder when EK will start GVA with A 332s (3 class config)?



User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

I can't take you serious. Your language is terribly primitive. I won't read any of your post anymore. I guess you don't understand anything about aviation. If anyone is a b.... it's you. I think you are only a Geneva chauvinist.

I'm sorry I offended you but my opinions will stay my opinions. Feel free not to read my posts anymore it doesn't make a very big difference to me.

I'd say that the problem is half-way.

No I guess I don't understand aviation and for someone who wants to do aviation management maybe I should follow your advice and go into basket weaving.

I don't think I'm biased at all, infact I'm not Swiss so take me as someone who has lived in Switzerland (amongst numerous other places) for some time now. Enough to have judgments.

Otherwise, did I ask unique to come in and bash Geneva without facts? I answered back giving clear answers reflecting what had happened.

I don't want to stir this into any debate but ZRH does quite a lot of screaming these days (i.e. approach routes), crying injustice to the Germans and Swiss government.

Maybe it makes you guys aware that your not the centre of the world (and by no means GVA is). GVA has had its lot of injustice over the years notably in 1995, nobody else cared. However that in June Zurich representatives came to Geneva begging people to fly out of Unique really was ironic.

I'm by no means a Chauvinist. BTW for the terribly primitive language you think getting an International baccalaureate English A1 Higher is easy to do? You need to have a full understanding of the language in all aspects to pass the course. I've spotted a few grammatical errors on your post above, however will refrain from citing them.

Once again I have nothing against Swiss German's, I have some very good friends from that region.

I don't know how this post got to this point, anyway,

regards,

Tim


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Dens,

good idea...

Behramjee,

Yup the list you gave is correct. EK, GF and QR are the only gulf carriers not to fly here. Though this rumoured to change...

Re: KU they are indeed two times a week, planes can really be anything, 744, a340, a300, 772.


Tim


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24811 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Gonna have to jump in here and say that Qatar will more than likely start GVA service before ZRH. Just my honest and logical answer, although GVA will probably get quite a few more EZY flights  Smile
Tim, hows things?  Smile



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User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Otherwise, did I ask unique to come in and bash Geneva without facts?

Tim, just one thing: READ MY WORDS as they say: I don't want to pull down GVA as an important airport and market...

I just stated my opinion and I was glad to give some explanations (and excuses), but fact is that Swiss Skies is still not in the air, MH never started operations, TG stopped to fly via ATH, etc. etc.

That is what I see from "primitive and arrogant" ZRH hence it's no need to keep on bashing me or my opinion.

PS: there is always somebody in the whole wide world speaking a language better than you so don't judge on everybody about mistakes!


User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3531 times:

Unique,

Sorry if I reacted hastily.

MH wanted to start but TG came in and basically made them abandon their plans, if you don't believe me go and ask their marketing director. Anyway I have already given a detailed explanation to all of the reasons in reply 8.

PS: there is always somebody in the whole wide world speaking a language better than you so don't judge on everybody about mistakes!

Yes and I never said that I was the king of the English language, I was just replying to a someone bashing me, legitimate defense.

I am no Geuthe, Molière or Shakespeare, however ZRH's reply went triggered me...

Once again I regret how this post has turned out. I created this post to know if anyone had more information not to create a bashing competition...

Tim


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Tim, apology accepted!

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