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KLM A330-200s: Engine Choice?  
User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Hi all.
With KL and AF merging, and both of these being VERY loyal GE customers, I was just wondering if anyone knew if KL has decided on the CF6 for their new A332 fleet. Maybe PW could also be a possibility,with partner NW operating Pratts.
Any updates would be welcome.
Thanks!



raggi


Stick & Rudder
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User currently offlineKillerbabe From Netherlands, joined Aug 2003, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Good question, but with an easy answer.
KLM has CF engines on all its fleet ( 733,734,738,739,744,772,MD11) so CF is very likely.
Their new partner Air France, as well as alitalia has CF engines and even a lot of Delta aircrafts are powered with CF engines.
KLM would be stupid to but PW on their A332 fleet.


User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

I also agree in the logic of GE winning the order, but there still hasn't been any official statement, right?
wasn't there also some talk of NW and KL to cooperate on maintenance for their 330 fleets?

raggi



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User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

While their engine selection technically has not been announced...yet...the 'storyboard' rendition from AI shows the KLM 332 with CF6 engines.


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

as the aircraft will I think be going to Air France and not KLM (who won't need them with the severe cuts I see in the very near future) I don't think there's any doubt.

Also, KLM is no longer in alliance with NWA as they no longer exist...
Getting US approval for the murder will likely depend on the cooperation with NWA ending anyway...



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Jwenting,

Hadn't we better radio all those Northwest aircraft inbound and outbound to AMS with KL flight numbers and tell them to turn around. We may as well radio the KLM aircraft with NW flight numbers also.

We also might want to call both Boeing and Airbus and tell them to stop painting the new aircraft in KLM colors. I don't think anyone at KL or AF remembered to do this.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Jwenting
is it because we enter Autumn that you suffer from depression?  Big grin



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2483 times:


Also, KLM is no longer in alliance with NWA as they no longer exist...


Blah blah blah.

You're just spouting nonsense.

If nothing else they'll be solidly together for at least 8 more years.

N


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

The future of the Wings alliance (NW/KLM alliance) is uncertain.

While it's true that it will most likely continue for 8 more years, there is a chance that it will collapse before than, one of the sides will decide to call it quits and pull out.

The NW/KLM alliance lately has been becoming weak with a lot of disagreements between the two carriers. Especially since KLM has been wanting to join Skyteam.

We'll see what happens. Maybe 8 more years, maybe not even a year...

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

BA,

Quite a few errors in your message.
1. NW encouraged KLM to join Skyteam and are planning to join it themselves.
2. You claim that the KL/NW alliance has been growing weak. Do you have one fact to back this up. On the contrary, both carriers would agee the alliance has grown stronger.
3. Please list the disagreements the carriers have had. I think it will be a short list.

Please give the source of your "rumors"


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

I beg to differ from some opinions. The NW/KL alliance is arguably one of the best in the industry. The revenue streams are so solid that "..it makes little difference if passengers fly a red or blue tail across the Atlantic.." That's a quote from the prez of KLM. NW has made similiar statements.



User currently offlineKl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

I thought this was a non-political site? Why do some members still show the flag of an Arab terrorist organisation, PLO, which has nothing to do with this forum? That's a bit stupid anyway considering that they don't even have an airport anymore;


Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

What are you talking about?

N


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Highly succesfull KLM/NWA joint venture is vital for both parties.

KLM would not have joined AF if NWA didn´t agree. NWA was informed on the progress 100 %.

KLM will introduce A330 as scheduled.

On the engines : probably CF6. KLM is a specialist on miantaining CF6 engines for many airlines.

From the KLM E&M internetsite (http://www.klm-em.com) :
We have maintained over 5500 CF6 engines since 1975.
Currently we experience 225 engine shop visits per year of which approximately 50% are third party



All KLM widebodies (743, 744, M11, 767) use them already ....



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