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CV-880 May Be Scrapped, Not Restored  
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3046 posts, RR: 9
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Looks like the Convair 880 restoration project may be in serious trouble.

According to their website, they need cash quick to pay the rent and tiedown fees.

From the website:
Help Us Pay the Rent!
The East Kern Airport in Mojave has been generous and patient with us as we've tried to generate funds to support the restoration of the Convair 880. However, they are not in the charity business and have started putting greater pressure on us to pay for our tie-down fees, and to pay on time. If we are not able to pay these fees, we will be forced to scrap the aircraft. We have put so much into getting this project off the ground that the thought of losing the plane is devastating to all of us, and I'm sure to all of you who have so many fond memories and personal experiences with this plane.


If they can't pay the rent, how can they expect to get that bird flying? Damn shame if you ask me; I'd have loved to see it fly. Not sure if they can get the donations to make it go...


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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

It would be a shame to see one of these beautiful planes scrapped. I can't imagine there are many left -- for some reason, I want to say there are four CV-990's remaining (including that beautifully restored one in Switzerland), and have no idea how many 880's are left.

Do you have any idea if that solicitation for donations was recently posted? I'd gladly send a few bucks their way, but I just want to make sure the project is still active and the plane hasn't already been scrapped -- it doesn't look like there's been much activity on the website lately.

If they're still at it, though, this strikes me as a very worthy cause and certainly worth a donation.



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Pictures of the plane in question:


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They really have their work cut out for them  Sad



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

It can't be more than a few weeks old, I check it every few weeks for updates. I guess that you can consider it current then.


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User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 978 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

N844AA,
I don't know how many 880s are left, I know most of the TWA 880s wound up in the desert but were not scrapped. I have a book on the 880/990 that says the 880s were uneconomical to scrap, due to the fact the metal used on the fuselage was a thicker gauge than, the 707 and DC-8, making them much harder and costly to break up, as well as the fact that since no one flies them anymore, the parts have no value. The only value is as pure scrap metal. I don't have any recent info whether they are still sitting out there or scrapped.

I know there is an 880 preserved in Memphis, Tennessee. It's Elvis Presley's TCB (Taking Care of business) 880 preserved across the street from Graceland.

I hope they can restore that 880, but if the pictures you posted are any indication, it sure looks like a long shot.



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Any lottery winners out there...?

I really do hope that they get this bird running. One of my best friends' grandfather (who just died last fall) was one of the certificating inspectors (maybe the pilot...?) for the CV-880 and -990. Even had a plaque with a model of the aircraft on a stand commemorating the event. Of course, my friend broke the tail off when he was 5, but its was still nice.



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User currently offlineSkydrolBoy From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Another one bites the dust.....It's gonna be a shame to see this one go....I was really looking forward to seeing a CV-880 fly again....I even donated money to these guys about 2 years ago....I wonder if we could get Kelowna Flightcraft, who now own the rights to Convair, to buy and restore the A/C...

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

That line of 880s at Mojave is now beer cans, with the exception of this bird. According to the article in Airliners, the guy behind the restoration was trying to buy one, but didn't get a call that they were being scrapped until they were gone. That is why they are "stuck" with the one whose wingtip was cut off for that scene in "The Rookie". They bought one in Atlantic City, an old Navy one IIRC, but they had chopped off the tail just prior to his inquiry, so it is for parts.
Elvis' jet had its wings chopped off for the drive to Graceland. They are kind of bolted on, from what I understand, and Lisa Marie will not fly again.
So I think that this is the last remaining potentially flyable airframe. (Not sure about the one rotting away in Haiti.)




[Edited 2003-10-01 20:34:21]


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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

I don't know if anyone else is considering this, but to me this seems like a great opportunity for a concerted fundraising effort. Would anyone else be interested in trying to drum up some money/support for the restoration effort? It doesn't sound like there are many 880 airframes left that could be made flyable; maybe we should try and get this one some attention? Just a though -- it seems like a shame to let a potentially restorable craft go to waste.


New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

I agree. It would be nice to see A.net pick up that ball and run with it.
VERY nice.

I'm not sure how likely that is though.



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8190 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2777 times:

I would love to chuck some money in but they'll need millions to get this plane flying, literally. I mean, it hasn't got ENGINES. And that cockpit isn't looking too pretty. I would think that completely replacing the wiring would just be the beginning. But you'd need a team of hundreds working full time for a year, plus parts. Millions of dollars, easy.


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

As much as I would have loved to see an -880 fly again,I have to agree with Cedarjet. Restoring a large jet that hasn't flown in decades requires more than a 'hobby' type of dedication and funding. Let alone the technical expertice required as far as electric and hydraulic .
I was lucky enough to be seated at the same table with Doug at AI2001 in Miami and talk to him about this.
In order to restore this it would require millions along with many people who are experienced in aircraft systems,and a hanger would be needed to shade everyone and the plane from the torrid desert sun.
I am sad to hear about this,but not totally surprised.....



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

They should contact the Airline History Museum in Kansas City. I realize a Connie is not an 880, but the principle is the same: They needed people with the expertise, large amounts of money (hundreds of thousands, maybe millions), and a place to keep the bird. They managed to get all of those things.

Maybe they could have the aircraft declared historical. It's the last of its kind, it's wing appeared in "The Rookie"? I missed that scene... Anyway, they could also contact their local Senator or Congressman about some Federal money. After all, if the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame can get $400,000, why can't a Convair get a couple grand?



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User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

NZPA

Convair crash in NZ
NZPA 03.10.2003 Breaking News
11.30pm - UPDATED



03.10.2003
11.30pm - UPDATED

Police tonight confirmed a plane had crashed near Waikanae, north of Wellington.

Senior Sergeant Peter Thurston said police searching north of Paraparaumu found wreckage on land.

The search was launched after locals reported hearing a plane circling overhead before a loud bang which sounded like thunder. The smell of aviation fuel was also reported.

It was initially believed the plane crashed at sea near Peka Peka but Mr Thurston was unable to confirm this.

He said aircraft was a Convair freight plane, with two or three crew aboard.

It is understood the plane, which was en route from Christchurch to Palmerston North, disappeared from Ohakea's radar about 9.30pm

Mr Thurston said it was pitch black, the weather was atrocious, and because Wellington was cut off because of road and rail closures, Palmerston North police had been enlisted in the search.

Police, Coastguard, the Westpac Rescue helicopter and other emergency service staff were combing the Kapiti Coast.

Kapiti Mana police area controller, Inspector John Spence, said some debris had been found in the water, about half a mile out to sea off the Paraparaumu-based Kapiti Boating Club and other debris was washing up on beaches in the Waikanae area.

There was no word yet on survivors, he said in a statement.

Kapiti Coastguard said tonight it was investigating unconfirmed reports from locals of seeing debris on land and sea and hearing "loud bangs", a spokesman said.

A Coastguard vessel was searching the area off shore, he said.

Airways Corporation spokesman Ken Mitchell said he understood two people had been on board, but all information remained unconfirmed for now.

It is understood the plane belongs to Christchurch-based Airfreight New Zealand which operates five Convair freight planes.

Airfreight New Zealand manager Murray Johnson said tonight he was gathering information, and news of the crash was "very distressing".

The company is a subsidiary of Palmerston North-based Field Air Holdings.

Owner of the Sand Castle Motel in Pekapeka, Mabs Le Page, said she heard "an enormous bang" about 9.30pm.

"It was loud, but not like thunder... a cracking explosive noise," she said.

However, she said she saw no sign of flames when she looked outside the beachfront motel.

The noise sounded as if it was heading out to sea, Mrs Le Page said.

A fire engine, police and some volunteers were at the beach.

Visibility was poor with very low cloud, she said.

"It's pitch black outside."

The sea was "wild", but high wind and heavy rains had died down.

Planes often "hugged the beach" during bad weather on their way back to Wellington Airport, she said.

- NZPA

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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

They'de have fun getting that -880 from California to KC , probably have to chop the wings like the Lisa Marie  Sad . Sure would be a sight seeing an -880 on a T-N-T.


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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

I wasn't saying move it to KC. I was simply saying they should contact S-A-C to find out what they did to get more funding.

Just an idea, tho...



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