BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2731 times:
Any word yet on when Song will expand to the West Coast in a significant way? Obviously I'd love to see them in SEA and SLC, but also across the West as well. We could use some more competition in the West, as AS and WN pretty much own it.
What cities in the West do you think will get Song first? Thoughts?
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2693 times:
Hey, it's October now! Is the IFE up and running?
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
MCIB757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 280 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2674 times:
To expand on BCAInfoSys question. What about some midwestern cities? Any information or opinions on what Songs plans are?
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
Supposedly, their website shows their future route plans (up to a certain point, anyway...)
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16316 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
I think Song may take over much of DL's domestic flying from JFK, DL is currently flying 757s from JFK-SFO, LAX, PHX, SEA etc.
FutureFO From New Caledonia, joined Oct 2001, 3096 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
There are currently 37 757's in Songs service rite now. They are still working on getting a place to install the IFE. Hopefully by the time my flight comes to LAX in 3 weeks maybe the IFE will be there.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
There is word around SLC station at Delta that they will be in SLC by April,
will operate from gate D1 (the original Delta Gate before the Western Merger) and will have service from SLC to MCO LAS PHX & JFK
QANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
I heard from some DL baggage guys and mechanics that they were expecting Song to come to LAX this October. They were a bit mad because Song would take Delta's gates at T5. On a side note, Air France is looking to move from the TBIT to T5 as well. So the DL crew would eventually have to do Delta, Song, Air France, Jamaican, and China Eastern. Let's see what happens.
My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2523 times:
Yes, this is correct for this one of those flight from MCO/TPA-LAX flight and also, which one is starting today with nonstop from FLL-LAX by this evening. Thanks!
ETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2016 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2478 times:
Believe the Song LAX flights are Song in name only- otherwise an all DL operation. DL @ LAX also handle Spirit and Sun Country. AF is definately moving to T5 in November although some AF ground staff will remain (many are losing their jobs).
Jrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1097 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
The Song LAX flights are Song flights. There are specific gates for them. They are on Song planes. The service is Song. Ground operations might be mainline Delta, just as they are at Atlanta. It would be more logical given the staffing levels at LAX and the need for staffing flexibility.
LGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
I am laughing sooo hard at Song. Their load factor is about 70% which is below Delta's load factor. Song won't last. They will be gone just like all the other airline within an airline schemes that have been tried in the past.
Jrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1097 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2375 times:
Ummmm.... a load factor of 70% can still be profitable.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2381 times:
Because the SEA market is a higher yield buisness market, I doubt you will see that from SLC on SONG. SONG is tuned to go into markets that are traditional leisure markets. That being said however, they are being proactive about
JetBlue, and I think they will enter markets that B6 thought would be stand alone markets for them. Currently DL has major competition in the SLC-AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS, and SLC-PHX market & of course SLC-MCO and FLL will happen no doubt. DL carries a huge amount of pax thru SLC headed for cruise ships at FLL. If AS ever enters the SLC-SEA market, you will probably see DL and WN increase service to combat that. Traditionally SLC-SEA is a regional market for SLC meaning that most of the traffic on that market is hub traffic from cities within a 500 mile radius of SLC, so with the loyalty of AS pax in the SEA area, and thier feed from QX I'm really suprised they haven't entered this market allready.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2350 times:
my garbled sentence above should be SLC-LAS, and my ohter comment should be Tradiitonally SLC-SEA is a regional market for DL, meaning that most of the traffic on that market is generated through the hub from cities within a 500 mile radius of SLC
BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2306 times:
Thanks for the insight SunValley, I appreciate it. I'm still trying to get some insight into how everything works; you have a much better grasp of it then I do.
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Regarding IFE from today's flysong.com website:
By early 2004, every seat on Song flights will be decked out with a personal video monitor so you can:
watch all-digital satellite TV from DISH Network
create a playlist of digitally-streamed MP3s.
watch pay-per-view programming on demand, there's something for all ages.
play multi-player interactive games with other passengers.
find points of interest along your trip with iXplor, a zoomable video map.
get gate information for connecting flights.
What a marketing/PR blunder - it would have been better to offer it as a surprise instead of hype and drop.
No offense, DL is my carrier of choice and I want to try Song*
*when IFE is offerred in every seat. So, I plan to try it in 4Q 2004!
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2172 times:
I hope DL does not bring Song to SEA. Especially to SLC. It would be another reason for Alaska to add service to SLC.
BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2135 times:
SuperDash -
I'm having a hard time following the logic of your post. If Song did add service to SEA and SLC, and AS followed suit by moving into SLC, why is that a bad thing? More competition equals better fares and better performance by the airlines, all to the benefit of the passenger.
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2024 times:
BC-
You are correct. I should say, if Song replaced DL in SEA-SLC, then I hope Alaska would add service (because I would not want to fly Song). DL is good on SEA-SLC. AS would be great. I am not a fan of the "Song" program. Maybe that's because I can't sing.
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