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SJC Loop Departure  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Anybody know why some departures at SJC use a loop departure? I flew out of SJC to Seattle and the AS 739 took off to the north but did a whole loop around the airport until finally heading towards Seattle. I've seen it many times also watching airport monitor. Anybody know why this pattern is at SJC? Also is there any other airports that use this look departure?

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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6810 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

As you've probably heard it's to get the deopartures over the SFO arrivals. But then we naturally wonder why they have to get to 12000 over the VOR.

It is unusual-- a while back I asked what other airports did the same and I don't think anybody came up with another airport where departures make a 360-degree turn before crossing above the airport.


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

It's done to get the aircraft "up and over" the approach paths into SFO and OAK. Otherwise you'd have to coordinate (and delay) inbounds to SFO whilst the SJC flights were departing.

Steve


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Thanks for the info guys. So what do they do if flights have to arrive from the north? Do they do a loop arrival?

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6810 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

SJC arrivals from the north use about the same route as SFO arrivals except they descend to 12000 instead of 11000. Their only conflict is the SFO arrival stream from the south, and apparently they cross beneath with no problem.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

>>>Do they do a loop arrival?

There may be a little confusion here, as the departure procedure in question isn't a general "loop", but has a specific name (LOUPE) that -sounds- like a generalized "loop".

All airports that have these SIDs/DPs (Standard Instrument Departures/Departure Procedures) and STARs (Standard Terminal Arrival Routes) will have them constructed in such a way that accounts for the traffic flows (both in and out) of other nearby airports.


User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

I've been on flights that did a couple of loops on departure out of SJC. On arrivals from the north (such as PDX or SEA) they generally fly over Marin and west of the Golden Gate Bridge that provides a fantastic view if you're on the left side, then down the peninsula right over SFO, then a sharp left 180 turn south of SJC over the hills, then back north to land.

User currently offlineCvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Ahhh, a topic I have pretty good knowledge of. My office is about 2 miles down the normal departure pattern for SJC and I watch the various aircraft fly by my window in my office. I also use that airport a lot when I have to travel.

There is one flight that does not follow the "loop" departure pattern. AA 129 SJC - AA), Japan">NRT, it heads straight west pretty much and then banks to the left after crossing the 237 freeway to clear SFO traffic and then off to AA), Japan">NRT.

I really like the UA terminal. It's odd, but I prefer using airstairs to board a aircraft. You get some great views of the AC that you normally don't see when using a jetway.


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