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Mexicana Might Order 22 Aircrafts To Airbus!  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

———— Mexicana podría comprar aviones a Airbus en Diciembre————

FUENTE: Transporte Siglo XXI
Gabriel Rodríguez
MÉXICO, D.F.- El vicepresidente de la compañia francesa fabricante de aviones, Airbus, Rafael Alonso, informó que será en diciembre próximo cuando la aerolínea Mexicana defina su oferta financiera para la compra de 22 de 38 aviones que renovará el próximo año.

En entrevista con Transporte Siglo XXI, el directivo dijo que actualmente la aerolínea se encuentra en un proceso de ajuste de su oferta calculada en unos 800 millones de dólares para una renovación de flota que incluye aviones A-320, A-319, Fokker-100 y B757.

Alonso dijo que Latinoamérica representa entre 6 a 7% del volumen del negocio, del cual México representa 50%, por lo que considerá que México adquirirá una especial relevancia para la industria una vez que se vendan Mexicana y Aeromexico.

————————————————————

According to http://www.transportesxxi.com Today Mexicana announced that it might order 22 aircrafts to Airbus by the end of this year.

Mexicana's current fleet:
09 - Dc9s - (QA)
10 - F100s
12 - A319s + 3 more schedule.... and possible 5 more???
26 - A320s
09 - B757
Total of 66 aircrafts.

I know it sounds ridicolous to replace 38 from a total of 66, but what the hell! Hope they do as they say they will!

Facts
Mexicana looking for a fleet commonality.
Mexicana will phase out the 757 next year.

Rumours:
QA merging with MX soon.
Mexicana studying the A321 and A330 as possible replacements for the 757.

Possible new order:
06 - A320s
10 - A321s
06 - A330s
or
10 - A319s
06 - A320s
06 - A330s
or
10 - A319s
12 - A320s

Mexicana's fleet in a near future....
20 - A319s
32 - A320s
10 - A321s
06 - A330s
Total: 68 aircrafts.
or
30 - A319s
32 - A320s
06 - A330s
Total: 68 aircrafts.
or a boring
30 - A319s.
38 - A320s. (It wouldn't be a surprise, MX once was the second largest fleet in the world before United with 44 - B727s at the time)
Total: 68 aircrafts.

Definetly good news for Mexicana! Hope to see the A321 or A330 with their colours!! Hope they don't choose the A318! What are your opinions/predictions on this???

Ricardo M.  Smile




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

make an Airbus for boeings swap... i wish they would do that

 Big grin


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

If this is true, MX should give a step ahead and get some A330/A340s... Now, back to reality, they will be A318s if any, and continue to feed COPA on the MX), Mexico">MEX-PTY run..LOL



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

If Boeing is serious about keeping the 757 line open, they should make an unbeatable offer to MX with an NG/752/753/763/7E7 split to roll over the entire fleet. It may be an uphill given the increasing AI focus at MX, but worth a try maybe.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

What do i think of this order? They made a mistake...

Go Boeing...

My gf house sits right under the 4L approach to ORD and see the MX 757, A320's come it and it would be a shame to see them get ride of there 757's they look awsome.

It would be nice to see Boeing offer MX a great deal but i dont see that happing. MX does have some routes that there Boeing aircraft would work great on but oh well. Good luck to them and there Scarebuses.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Just got home and opened the newspaper (El Financiero) and I note that there's an article about this order.

It says that the 10 F100s will be replaced with 10 or 12 A318s. And they will be replacing 10 or 12 A320s with the same number of aircrafts.

And they will start delivering this new aircrafts by the end of 2005 or in the first months of 2005.

Also it says that Airbus is in talks with Aviacsa (to good to be true if they buy new buses), Líneas Aéreas Azteca (Looks it will be Boeing for them only) and AeroUnión (I think they won't replace their 3 A300Fs).

So, back to the topic, Mexicana's fleet will be:

12 - A318s
12 - A319s + 3 more scheduled to arrive in Dec, Jan and Mar.
26 - A320s
09 - B757s
Total: 62 aircrafts.

Too bad we will have to wait till 2004 to see an A321 or an A330 order.

Ricardo M.  Smile

Ps. AM744, LOL a good one.... keep feeding CM flights instead of giving trouble to them, TACA, LAB, etc etc etc!




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMotech722 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

What do I think of this order? They made a great choice...

The 757 is a nice aircraft, but doesn't seem to fit into the airline while the A320 series is a great idea looking at their fleet, it fits in nicely. This kind of swap is nothing new, many airlines are doing this, such as Frontier, America West, and US Airways here in the states. Going to one type of fleet is a good idea.

Nothing against Boeing, but the new kid in town continues to gain respect from airlines. Go Airbus...


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

I think it is a smart move. Mexicana once had a bit of a problem (and might still have it), operating aircrafts from several manufacturers. I remember a few years ago, they had (including their Regional QA) airplanes from:

Airbus (A320)
Boeing (B727, B757)
Fokker (F27, F100)
Douglas (DC-9)
Britten Norman (BNIII)
Cessna (C-208)
BAe (J-32).

Getting Airbus commonality was something that eventually was gonna happen. Too bad they will get rid of the 757. The natural replacement for this would be the A321 but I have no idea how good it will perform out of hot and high Mexico City Intl bound for their medium to long haul destinations such as Argentina and Canada.

The A330 seems to be kind of large for Mexicana needs though, at least for the routes they are currently flying (with the exception of Buenos Aires). If they bring it, hopefully that would bring closer their long desired wish to fly to LHR and FRA (a Star Alliance hub).

This whole topic just made me realize the unfilled gap Airbus have between the narrow bodied A321 and the A330; precisely the kind of aircraft that would fit perfectly MX's needs instead of Boeing's 757 or 767-200.

Saludos
RM  Smile



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

OOh good news *claps* I think that MX should replace those 757s with A321s and A330s. They should take the advantage and buy the A330-200s at least. Then they can open up new routes into Europe, like LHR and FRA! The F-100s should be replaced with the A319 instead of the A318, just my opinion. If they are looking for an aircraft to replace the F-100s, why not buy the Embraer 190/195.  Big thumbs up But I know MX is going with commonality and trying to cut cost. I hope everything works out for them.

I find it interesting that Airbus is in talks with Aviacsa, IMO Aviacsa should go out and buy some 737-300/400/500s since there seem to be many out in the desert. Im sure they can get some of US 737-300/400s cheap. From what I see, Azteca will stick with Boeing.





User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Congratulation Mexicana and Airbus. I am happy to see Airlines buying the A318.

To see A330 in Mexicana colours would be great, I will keep my finger crossed!

Mucha suerte Mexicana!


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

The info I had was that MX was close to a deal with Airbus for 12 A318's... but it will be decided in the next few months. They were talking to GECAS and other leasing companies before closing the deal. It is about time they get rid of the F100's and all the spares which are giving a headache to Mexicana Maintenance Area.

User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Hey everyone!!

This goes for Rojo: damn you Airbus!!!

If we speak of economics, it looks like Mexicana is getting way ahead of Aeromexico in orders and of course fleet renewal.

It's great because it will probably force other airlines to renew their fleet on a medium basis! But why Airbus!! WHY???

Hope this order turns out well though, for Mexicana IS Mexicana!!

Cheers!

A. De Leo!



Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

If we speak of economics, it looks like Mexicana is getting way ahead of Aeromexico in orders and of course fleet renewal

Mexicana is WAY WAY WAY WAY ahead of AeroMexico. With this new order, Mexicana will enter to it's second renewal phase, while AM's has not even started! Just start raiding some Dc9s to MD87s and B737s finally are getting here on the October 16th!.....

But why Airbus!! WHY???

I ASK MYSELF THE SAME THING!

I think it's a tough decision that MX will have to take at the end of 2004 with the 757 replacement.

I think MX only has two chances..
1. Going A318, 319, 320, 757.... and if ever... 767/777.,
2. A318, 319, 320, 321 (with a lot of restrictions out of MX), Mexico">MEX), 330/340.
But I think number two it's going to be the option. It would definetly be a surprise to see MX in talks with Boeing next year.

Anyway, ARRIBA MEXICANA!!!!!



Ricardo M.  Smile




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

But why Airbus!! WHY???
Thank God competition exists... if not, many of you will be happy spotting MX B727 fleet still flying the mexican skies!!!

This goes for Rojo: damn you Airbus!!!
Alex de Leo: Aviacsa and AeroMexico are in talks with Airbus, 6A wants the A320 family to replace B737's and AM the A330 to replace B767's... The mexican skies will be filled up with Airbus machines. Naa, just kidding!! but it will be amazing!!

You know that I don't care if it is Airbus or Boeing, as long as airlines in Mexico have new, clean and efficient airplanes... not Latas like N2.

By the way, I was told that MX wants to get rid of the A320's leased by Mexibus (10 - 12). They couldn't close a deal with Mexibus to lower the payments of these airplanes which are at the same monthly rates as newer A320's and they are 12 to 14 year old planes.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

and AM the A330 to replace B767's

At one point, AM was talking to AF about some of its older 772ERs... what became of that?


User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Hey you all!

Rojo: you are right! As long as there are new planes in Mexican skies no problem!! Anyway as a business administrator competition is the best thing ever!! Boeing has now to organize itself perfectly well to face Airbus! Airbus is winning fair and square! That's what makes me angry!!

Oh well, the strongest one will survive!!!

Good luck Boeing!

A. De Leo



Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
User currently offlineMx330 From Mexico, joined Oct 2002, 827 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4147 times:
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They should stay with those 757's
A321 is N O T an option, A330 is...

Mx330



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User currently offlineJavomd88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

KEEP DREAMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mexicana has told these type of story tails lots of times, why dont they think about the pilots they just put to the street instead of dreaming.

My best friend was a F.O. on the A320 and he told me he never had been so embarrased in his life after being layed off from MX. He told me they told the going away pilots to meet on an empty floor of the MX tower(which isnt even theirs anymore) and with plastic tables they gave them there check and sign her and goodbye. They felt they left the company they served for 7 years through the small door of the company. So there are severe issues they need to fix before changing there Camiones del aire(airbus) . Also told to us by the head of office at our union, MX has more serious financial problems than ever before, and are considering to fire another 57 pilots. DOES THAT RING A BELL!

Come on people, how in the world can u say MX is way way way way way way,,,,,,,,,,,from AM, come on, i want to laugh my head off!

If only you worked around here you could have a much more clearer picture of things, and not just say what u think is going on!

Thanks
JAVO


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

"Mexicana is WAY WAY WAY WAY ahead of AeroMexico. With this new order, Mexicana will enter to it's second renewal phase, while AM's has not even started!"

Indeed MX might be on its second phase of fleet renewal, but that was because it was an urgent issue. Don't get me wrong, the 727's are (were) fine aircraft and so the F100 but they were killing the company with its excessive maintenance and operational costs. Single-aisle airbuses seem to be the solution and happily they fit MX needs as if they were custom-made for them "como anillo al dedo, pues". The best luck for them though.

I, like Javo, have many friends that were furloughed by Mexicana. More than 120 pilots in a mere six months period. More than what the industry can afford to have in excess. Add the +40 pilots from A.Internacionales, add the 44 pilots (and maybe 58 let goes of Allegro). I don't think this is exactly the best time to dream about A330's and stuff (as much as I would like to see them coming). Maybe I'm veering off course here, but I find insulting (for those furloughed and for us, jet qualified pilots flying any kind of trash in "provincia") that they are considering a "fleet expansion". Almost just as insulting as our bright head of nation talking about the creation of thousands of jobs (and I am not sure but I think he happened to mention that in the last Pilot's Union Assembly). Gawd !!!!

I, for the sake of the Aviation just hope that the reality turns out to be as bright and as hopeful as some of the opinions written here.

The bitter, Ramon  Smile



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User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

LeoDF

But why Airbus!! WHY???

I am also a Mexican and believe me I am happy Mexicana is buying form Europe and not from the gringos. And with all respect I have never understand why so many fellow Mexicans are so in love with all the things made north of the rio bravo.

I always laugh when I see the Mexicans with their Atlanta Braves, Dodgers and Raiders T Shirts. I just don’t get it. I also ask my self. Why? Why? Why?

Get a t-shirts from the chivas and stop crawling into Americans a…






User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Well if we talk about shady labor practices, AeroMexico ain't that hot either... they utilize ILLEGAL contracts to devoid their ground workers of legal work benefits, I know, I was one of them, you never know if you'll have a job next month or not, and it's like that for many many of AMXs ground workers all over the country. They just give you your check and buh bye. So unfortunatley it's not just people in the air that are having a rough time

Still, I guess cuts are necesary to keep the companies afloat, I dunno really, one understands the economic point of view, but when it's your turn to get snubbed, it's much harder to understand.

In any case, I guess an order is inevitable, MX needs to get rid of those F100s ! although maybe A318s are a bit too heavy.. maybe RJs would fit better perhaps? I doubt it though : ) Let's wait and see, we all know how long the AMX decision for 737s took !



User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

Javomd88:

I hate that pilots like you just think about other pilots that were fired and don't realize that also flight attendants, CSR's, management people and many more were fired from Mexicana and AeroMexico in order to keep the jobs of the rest and don't go bankrupt. Thank God that you are part of a Union that protects you very good (ASPA), because if not, most of the pilots will be FIRED. They are draining MX and AM a lot of money with its lousy contracts that come from the past and the STUPID BONUS you got last week, and don't tell me I don't know nothing because I don't work around there... my best friend, with whom I went to college is an senior executive of Club Premier INSIDE AeroMexico and his father is part of CINTRA'S executive committee, so believe me, he knows a lot more than you. And yes, Mexicana has lots of financial problems, but they need to get 12 new Airbuses in order to LOWER payments of some of the A320's they have in their fleet, because they are paying high monthly rates thanks to a contract signed in 1990 with Mexibus. They finally realized that they can get newer airbuses at the same or even at lower monthly rates because there are lots of aircraft offered in the market. Mexicana will keep firing pilots because they just retired a 3 pilot crew aircraft and replace it with a 2 pilot crew aircraft, that seems logical. I don't like people to be fired, but that is the reality of our country, so if you want to blame someone, blame the government... my brother was just fired from a bank in Mexico and he is not complaining, he know how the country is and he is trying to find a new job, but blame the company for firing him, please... the company has to survive...

And if you think Mexicana is telling story tails about their fleet renewal, why do they have 12 new A319 and AM doesn't even have their first B73G????

Rojo


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Javomd88,

This has become like a little fight. We are Mexicans, mostly, we all leave in Mexico and we love our aviation. It's obvious you are going to defend AM!!! That's logical it's your company, you fly for them, and you love the shirt a lot!

It is not really necessary to be around there, I have lot's of family/friends who are Pilots (They felt they left the company they served for 7 years don't exagerate, if that was the case, an uncle (flying 320 for 5 years) and two friends that were flying the 320 (one with 5 years and the other with 6 years) they wouldn't be around in MX, and all of them stayed....), FA's and Maintenance (just like SR117 said, AM is also not playing nicely with their maintenance employees with short 3 months contracts with ORION and other copanies and paying less money than AM employees and both work in the aircrafts and do the same hard work...) from MX and AM. I read the newspapers and see all the cuts! All the problems both airlines are facing. And if you want to, you can also add AeroCalifornia and Allegro with their financial problems.

Finally, I never made a ridicolous statement, in terms of fleet MX it's WAY ahead of AM. While MX right know it's focusing in a second renewal, today it's Oct 5th and finally yesterday they just received their first 737.

Ricardo M.  Smile

Ps. AMX B737 was Del. yesterday, will fly BFI-LAS-BOS-LAX-TIJ-BFI-Mex. On October 8th the aircraft will land in TIJ.... by the 16th will be touching at Mex.




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineAirbus-Insider From France, joined Sep 2001, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Hello everyone,
great news.
Just wanted to say something not of particular importance but yet of interest to some of us:

It's aircraft not aircrafts, there is no S at the end.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=aircraft
air·craft = Pronunciation Key (ârkrft)
n. pl. aircraft

Kind regards
Ronaldo



Airbus and Fokker Flyer
User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Ghost77: I'll be in LAS from Oct. 20-27 and in LAX from Oct. 29-31. Any chance I'll see an AM 737NG?
AeroMexico rules.

RM  Smile



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25 Post contains images Ghost77 : Fly727, I guess you'll have to wait and see it in CUN or any other mexican airport. Ricardo M. Ps. Airbus-Insider - Thank You very much for the correc
26 Mx330 : Osteogenosis: I don't know what is your problem with the United States, and I just want to remember you that every thing you and this country have is
27 Osteogenesis : Mx330, I don't know what is your problem with the United States, and I just want to remember you that every thing you and this country have is because
28 AM744 : Mx330 I don't know what is your problem with the United States, and I just want to remember you that every thing you and this country have is because
29 LeoDF : Osteogenesis and AM744: You gotta be joking me! If you do hate the US or wonder why Mexicans worship them a lot, take a look around, tell me what item
30 Osteogenesis : LeoDF, I wont answer your post in detail (me da hueva). But let me tell you that the language we are using comes from the United Kingdom not from the
31 LeoDF : Think about it! You speak BRITISH ENGLISH OR AMERICAN ENGLISH Thank you!
32 Post contains images LatinPlane : Osteogenesis "I have no problem with the USA. I just don't understand Mexicans like you who worship them." For the record Mexicans don't worship anybo
33 Mx330 : Osteogenosis: Yes I do feel OK, how about you? I do worship them because they have won the right to. If instead of having to buy aircraft to them (or
34 CPH-R : About the 757's - what routes are they used for? I mean, the A321 range is shorter than the 757's, but the capacity is roughly the same. The A330 matc
35 Osteogenesis : Who is talking about dominance? I was just wondering why you guys don’t like the fact that Mexicana is buying a European product. Mx330, I do worshi
36 Post contains images Ghost77 : CPH-R, MEXICANA mainly uses the B757 for long routes AND high traffic demand. In the country, mainly: MEX-TIJ MEX-GDL-TIJ MEX-GDL MEX-MXL MEX-MTY MEX-
37 Post contains images Ghost77 : Latinplane, Officially, AM never said that 737 was replacing MD80s, I think that was only me LOL. I said it, because a source of mine in AM maintenanc
38 Post contains images LatinPlane : Osteogenesis You don't need to call him that. It is totally uncalled for you name him in such way. It would be like someone calling you a Nazi bastard
39 Pzurita1 : Shoudn't it read "¡Qué viva México, 'iñor!" ? PZ
40 Post contains images LatinPlane : Pzurita1 LOL. No you say it like a mariachi would say it. Con la "S" Si Señor! LatinPlane
41 Post contains images Fly727 : Don't want to reply every single thing each of us said about the US and Europe. It is a matter of "geopolitics" that we can't change right away. (and
42 Mx330 : Osteogenosis. Creo que lo dicho por LatinPlane es suficiente para callarte la boca. Asi es que si quieres evitar el buscarte porblemas ya mejor manten
43 Post contains images Osteogenesis : Mx330, Asi es que si quieres evitar el buscarte porblemas ya mejor mantente al margen. Yo no tengo ningun problema. En este foro nadie insulta a nadie
44 Post contains images AM744 : Latinplane: You make some good points. But, the US wouldn't have pushed for such an agreement for nothing. Sure, the incipient industry could've colla
45 Post contains images Fly727 : AM744 that was just well freaking said. Just give us some time, we will prove wrong whoever thinks we can not. RM
46 Post contains images Ghost77 : AM744, well said! Lots of years fighting... only 180 years of Independence and 80 from our Revolution which is nothing! Just give us some time, and I
47 Post contains images Latinplane : AM744 Muy bien dicho. And I do second with you on that one. Ghost77 "Officially, AM never said that 737 was replacing MD80s, I think that was only me
48 Rojo : AM and the Long haul Fleet!!! I just flew the TOdo Jodido, uuuppps, I mean XA-TOJ, AM's B767-200 to Madrid and guess what??? Yes, the flight was packe
49 Cx340 : Rojo, "Hope this time they get the 6th B767 (doesn't matter if it is 200 or 300) but they could benefit of the strong performance of the European rout
50 Post contains images Ghost77 : Latiplane, Carajo... I don't know, but I distinctly remember looking at the press releases stating that they were ment to replace the DC-9s. I know th
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