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Lufthansa To Order B-777?  
User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1198 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

I`m visited the Lufthansa Technik Base in Hamburg yesterday. A Lufthansa Mechanic told me that Lufthansa will buy B-777 to replace A-340-200/300 on the routed to the Middle East and Northamerica. I told him that I only heard about the thoughts of buying the 7E7, whenever it will be launched, but he told me that Lufthansa will only keep A-340-300/600 the A-330-200/300 and put the 777 on routes like DXB, CAI, TLV, BOS, PDX etc.
Did anyone else got such info?


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User currently offlineWingman From St. Vincent and the Grenadines, joined May 1999, 2099 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

That's German humor for you. I'm sure he was either teasing or woefully misinformed. This simply will not happen ever. period. full stop.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6946 times:

Hilarious! Those Germans are a riot.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

Not so fast.......

LH has been rumoured for a while now to be a launch customer for the 772LRF.

Stay tuned.


User currently offlineBAJMowiec From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

Hey,

While it is possible for LH to order the triple seven, why should they, I mean Airbus would mean a ''home-grown'' purchase, which means savings. Plus, doesnt the A340-300 offer the same capacity as the 772 ?Thus, why not order new A343 ? Nah, Boeing is a rare thing with Lufthansa, not counting the 744 and the 733/5, which I think will soon be replaced. Although a 772 in LH colors would look pretty nice, don't you agree ? I can already see it docked at FRA ...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Piotrek


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6583 times:

LH has been rumoured for a while now to be a launch customer for the 772LRF.

I've read the same rumour also.

The 7E7 would be a perfect replacement for the A300/310 fleet.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

LH has repeatedly stated an interest in maintaining a diverse fleet.

They own one metric shitload of 744s, and gave the 753 a serious try by having Condor op some of their regular A300 flights.

The 7E7, as currently drawn, sounds like a good fit for them.

The 777, not so much.

The 777LRF they likely need... they can't get their hands on enuf M11s.

N


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

I tend to agree with Wingman. Lufthansa only speaks of future Boeing orders simply to keep the Airbus salesforce on their toes and nothing more.

In any case, I would think it would be a waste for them to buy 777s at this point since they operate every Airbus model currently available including subvariants.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6353 times:

LH will unlikely order the 777 due to the fact they're committed to the A340-300/600 fleet.

However, LH could become a launch customer for the 4,000 nautical mile range version of the Boeing 7E7, mostly due to the fact Airbus isn't interested in a widebody jet smaller than the A330-200.


User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6328 times:

RayChuang,

mostly due to the fact Airbus isn't interested in a widebody jet smaller than the A330-200.

Has Airbus already officially accepted this?


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Hopefully not. Aside from the fact that such an oddball wouldn´t fit into LHs fleet I cannot stand all these 777s popping up like boring soap operas on TV. Everywhere the same. Nice aircraft but there are too many.

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

7E7 - Yes, definitely, and Boeing already has a timing advantage over Airbus as far as development is concerned (if they don't come up with a 330 version, that is), and LH urgently needs aircraft to replace 300/310 (somewhat sad thought, I've grown quite accustomed to the 300s, nice equipment, reliable, good performance).


777, well I've never heard that rumour, but then I don't deal with LH on a weekly basis anymore as was the case 3 years ago, so there are a lot more guys here to give competent statements. Just don't forget: LH management is mainly guys from LH Technik, and LH Technik does deal a lot more with Boeing equipment than LH Passage, as they do maintenance for hundreds of other airlines.



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User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

That would be SWEET if LH bought the 777, the ONLY reason i say that is because that plane would look awsome...lol.

(ok im out of my dream world and not thinking of buying airplanes because they would look cool in there color schemes anymore)

However, i personally think it would be VERY inappropriate for LH to buy the triple 7. Think about it. LH is a big Airbus buyer and i also (if i remember right) think LH supports Airbus on the financial end too...i might be mistaken. I could see LH MAYBE buy the 7E7 but thats years down the road and that will just replace the 300 and the 310. What about the older A340's? I think more A340's will replace them or they will go with the 330 or something. Im sure they will not go with the 777. Think of crew training cost, the 777 has NO comonality with any other aircraft in there fleet exept the 744. Plus there maintnace docs would have to be redone at there overhaul facilitys just for this one type of aircraft. I truly believe this is a rumor based on keeping Airbus on its toes.

Me being a Boeing fan would LOVE to see LH drop there Airbuses and go Boeing but that isnt going to happin so im not gonna talk about it, just staiting that a even a big boeing fan knows this wouldnt be a bad move when they have there fleet establish the way they do now.


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

LH supporting Airbus on the financial end?

What do you mean by that?

LH does own no stake whatsoever in Airbus, and they press Airbus to get the highest-possible discounts on their aircraft, so to say they support them financially sounds a bit like a paradoxon.

And besides LH is in no position to support other companies except Star Alliance partner airlines that are in trouble, end even then, they only grant fully securitized senior loans.



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User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

Dude keep your pants on.....thats why i said they MIGHT support Airbus i wasnt sure, i was basically asking a question.

I got wind of something not to long ago that AF, LH and 1 other European airline have some sort of say-so in business moves in Airbus, basically owning part of Airbus. Its obvious i am wrong (good thing) and im glad that is cleared up.

But Airbus is goverment funded arent they? That sure would be nice for Boeing to have some sort of fall back like that huh?


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Lufthansa, 777?

It wouldn't fit - but Lufthansa seem to get a kick out of operating a diverse fleet; nothing would surprise me any more.

They were launch customer for Connexion, a few months ago...

But Airbus is goverment funded arent they? That sure would be nice for Boeing to have some sort of fall back like that huh?

That's a whole other can of worms! Better put on a flameproof suit...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy




Cunning linguist
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Maybe you should just NOT try to read between the lines of other people's postings. I was trying to answer your question which was, all in all, rather unclear, and I definitely kept my pants on. I'm afraid way too many guys here on this forum seem to take aviation as an emotional thing... I don't, it's business as usual.


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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Not very likely but the 7E7 is a possibility.


Work Hard But Play Harder
User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

It wouldn't be a terrible surprise if they bought the 777 to be operated by Condor which currently has 757's and 767's, and given that Condor is increasingly taking over so many of LH's medium-haul routes.

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

in the early 90s, LH did examine the 777 as a possible replacement for its 747-200s. at that time, there was no A340-600 in sight, and the 772 is still bigger than the A343.
but then again, show me one major airline that did not consider the 777 in the early 90s.

cheers
daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineLHSTR From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

I think Condor is only operating the B767s for LH at the moment, as LH, back before Iraq and Sars, did not have enough wide-bodies to support the growing long-haul network.

However, I fail to see how Condor is taking over so many LH routes.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

It does make sense if Lufthansa says that they would order a 777 just to keep Airbus scared and cutting them deals. If Lufthansa said that they would NEVER order a 777, Airbus could get away with charging higher prices to them.

Although I think a 777 would look good in LH colors, I don't see it happening


User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

All I have to say is keep dreaming.


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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Never say never as we learned last night on MNF. Only if LH says, "There is absolutley no chance of LH ever ordering 777s." And even at that I'd be cautious to say "never". We're dealing with the airline industry here. . .an indusrty proven to be speculative at best when it comes to decision making and track records.


Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Hi,

I'm not quite sure yet, why so many of you would consider a LH 777 such a great thing - but maybe that's just my view, since I'm one of those persons trying to get passengers on planes (no, not gate agent... travel agent).

First of all, judging from my own flights, I'll prefer a 343 over a 777 anytime - it's so much quieter in there. Also, and this is something I've heard from quite a lot of customers as well, if I pay in excess of 3000 Euros for a flight from Germany to Brazil in Business Class - on most airlines it'll actually be in excess of 5000 Euros - I'd be quite unimpressed if I actually got a middle seat, which won't happen on an A340, or A330 or B767 (which isn't used on that route anymore): it can happen on a B777 or B747 - which actually made a client book LH First Class just a short while ago...

Maybe I should start preferring Boeings after all...

But since LH - just like most airlines - is more concerned about the bottom line than if passengers are comfortable, you can bet that they'll keep comparing Airbusses and Boeings and not sign any type of exclusivity contract - you never know what the manufacturers will be building in 10-15 years and if that even comes close to what you need then...

One final note on this dreadful discussion that constantly keeps popping up about Airbus being Government funded: yes, Airbus was built up by several european governments, but any money given to Airbus these days is on the basis of loans, not subsidies. And you can be very sure that the European Commission would cut off any subsidies at an early stage - just look at what happened at some airlines within the last years.

And seeing all the programmes that Boeing is being awarded, I really have trouble not seeing the US Government as - to say it bluntly - subsidising Boeing... at least the subsidies for Airbus during the pre-EADS-times were officially declared subsidies and not hidden in some research programme that no-one considered necessary.


Having said all that - LH ordering 777s? Don't see that happening, wouldn't fit the fleet - and as they've ordered 330s for more or less precisely the routes that the original message mentioned, I really can't see what they would gain by putting a completely new type into their fleet - considering that they declined ordering 753s a while back with the comment "that would essentially be an orphaned fleet - nothing else in our fleet has commonality so we'd have to buy everything new, and dedicated, for it".

I'd say the same applies to the 777, at least in the pax version - concerning the freighter, I do see that coming as soon as the MD11 conversion market dries up.

That's it from me for now...

Frank





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25 Andreas : Leskova, I really appreciated reading your post, but be warned: You've said so many things to get the B side in our usual A vs. B wars go completely b
26 Motorhussy : Y A W N ! Don't they both make great aeroplanes!? M H
27 Andreas : Y A W N too! Of course they do Motorhussy, and nobody in his right mind will contradict that, but noise level in the 340 is just lower than in the 777
28 Motorhussy : Flying Business - I do almost exclusively - it depends on the airlines configuration. Airbus, rightly, prides itself on saying there is no intermediat
29 Post contains images Andreas : Sorry I'm a Star Alliance Flyer (which doesn't come as a big surprise given the fact that I work in FRA ). Never had the pleasure of flying Emirates,
30 Post contains images Leskova : I just checked - you're right, Motorhussy, they really have a 2-3-2 config in their 332s (I've actually never sold them in C-Class, mostly Y and an oc
31 Motorhussy : Andreas Flying out of Auckland non-stop to Los Angeles, Santiago or Buenos Aires (particularly the latter two), one flies over very isolated expanses
32 Post contains images Andreas : Good to hear you're Star, too , I only mentioned it to illustrate why I've never flown Emirates, even going on holidays in Dubai, I fly LH spending bo
33 Solnabo : When LH order 777´s is when USA nuke Finkelwierder/Toulouse...... *my 2 öre* Michael/SE
34 JGPH1A : Solnabo Dubbya is president, remember - it COULD happen !
35 Post contains images Leskova : Andreas: Well, someone had to suffer through it , and since I generally like knowing what my customers get when they buy tickets - esp. since quite a
36 WorldTraveler : Every airline has to consider products from both Airbus and Boeing or they would be considered negligent to their owners. I doubt seriously that we wi
37 Hoons90 : I think the A330/A340s do the job well for LH.. A 777 wouldn't be too necessery, but for an A300/A310 replacement the 7E7 sounds ok.. We will just hav
38 Brutie : It is reassuring to have four engines with flights over 14 hours and only distant diversion airports. I'm totally with you on that one Motorhussy - th
39 ConcordeBoy : It is reassuring to have four engines with flights over 14 hours and only distant diversion airports Oh it is... how? I'd much prefer a twin for any l
40 Sabena332 : We will not order the 777 because we are not Air France! signed Wolfgang Myerhuber (Lufthansa CEO)
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