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Why Isn't There Any PTV On Air Canada?  
User currently offlineBowen0614 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Hello all,

I would like to know why does Air Canada install PTV for Economy class on their long-haul aircrafts?

Bowen

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User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 839 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

You mean you'd like to know why AC doesn't install PTV for economy class?

Two words: Too Expensive.

Cheers.


User currently offlineBowen0614 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

But their price is way high while comparing with other airlines.

for example, the price for cathay pacific fly YVR-HKG-YVR during christmas is CAD$1800. Air Canada is asking the same price also!! So, which airline will you choose then, one with PTV and one without PTV? And they are same price!!! Same departure time!!

Bowen


User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Isn't AC losing $$ at the moment?

btw...it's nice to see you here!  Smile



cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineBowen0614 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Oh yea, you're right. AC is losing money. That's why they have to lowered their price a bit and attrack more people to fly them.

Nice to meet you also, Cathay Pacific. Do I know you somewhere?

Bowen


User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Even so, their flights out of HKG are always full. Friend of mine who flies AC all the time told me that flights are quite full, and the last time he flew HKG - YVR, he got offloaded, but in compensation he was offered an upgrade to J on the next flight or 1500 HK dollars in cash.

Not sure if flights on CX are full or not, but assume they are, passengers would tend to choose AC. On another note, JAL is also a very hot airline to fly to YVR from HKG, though not a direct flight.
Best Regards


User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Perhaps AC is full because people can't get a seat with CXBig grin

Bowen,
I'm the same CX from your site! Big grin Big grin



cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineBowen0614 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Cool~ Nice to meet you here also.

Well...I am booking a flight with Cathay Pacific....and one flight is still on waitlist. But the AC flights are confirmed already. However, I will still wait for the CX flight first.

Bowen


User currently offlinePER744 From Australia, joined Mar 2003, 405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

A few months ago (and quite probably even now) Air Canada listed 'tray tables' as a feature of their aircraft. Wow, that really differentiates them from every other airline  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

They still is!  Wow! Wow! Wow!

Hospitality Service- International

Product Features In-Flight

Pillows and blankets
Duty-Free boutique service
Tray table at each seat
Individual reading light
Multi-lingual service according to route



cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineFlying lsd From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

just a very poor service.
Crew don,t know what they serve.
Sunday night on YUL FRA : chicken or pasta.
I ask pasta : it's salmon.
Friday morning on the FRA YUL, chicken or beef : sorry no beef.
The snack before arrival at YUL a piece of pizza on the tray with no knifes or fork.
An for the grand final 44 overbooked people on 297 passagers.
Great AC , continuing like that and I wish a fabulous CH 7 after CH11


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

I fly BA and AF trans-atlantic and CX transpacific from YYZ solely because of them providing PTVs in all Eco class seats on all long haul aircraft + theyre anyday better than AC and sometimes price wise too. I would anyday pay up to $ 100 more for a PTV in coach on a 7-12 hour nonstop flight.

AC got their A 343s from the mid 90s so they could have if they wanted to install PTVs in their new 343s and 333s when they ordered them...BUT NO THEY FAILED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

LH is another airline that doesnt have PTVs in coach of its B 744s and A 343.


User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

I simply do *NOT* understand the fetish found on A.net for PTVs...You all undoubtably have TVs at home, what's the big deal about TV in an airplane????


buhh bye
User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1069 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

TG is another good airline that still has no PTV.

I think the service on SQ, EK, TG, CX and MH are quite the same. But the competition comes to who has better/advanced PTV system.

SQ wins it all as they have Audio Video on demand. I love it on SQ so I flew them to Australia, San Francisco, London in the past 2 years.  Smile



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3174 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

I simply do *NOT* understand the fetish found on A.net for PTVs...You all undoubtably have TVs at home, what's the big deal about TV in an airplane????

Most longhauls we are talking about 10-14 hours, what are you going to do for that length of time. For a short flight PTVs are not necessary but for long trips, it takes away the boredom.




Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Since the start of the Milton era, AC has always had a very arrogant attitude.

It was Milton's strategy to simply try to meet the minimum level of customer expectations, and to leave to other airlines the opportunity to exceed them... now we can see that this strategy didn't pay off!


I know that his argument was that LH didn't have PTVs either... but when you consider the high level of service you get on LH, you get a very different picture!

Good luck to the new investors to try to find a new positionning for the airline!



User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8218 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

PTV's are overated and airlines are finding out that hardly anyone chooses a flight based on the availability (or not) of PTVs. In fact, when all things are equal I'll choose the one without PTVs 'cause I value the leg room a lot more than mediocre entertainment.

User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

PER744,

That is funny about listing tray tables as a feature ha ha ha ha. What's next? are they going to list seats as a feature? ha ha ha

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

I'm sure Jesus blesses airlines with PTV's more than those without.

PTV's do make the time go by faster, that's for sure. But I have to say, from my experience, AC is very good, with excellent legroom in Y class, plus in my opinion, very good service on long-haul flights.

Oh, and they served a slice of pizza without giving a knife and fork? Shame on AC!



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Since the start of the Milton era, AC has always had a very arrogant attitude.

It was Milton's strategy to simply try to meet the minimum level of customer expectations, and to leave to other airlines the opportunity to exceed them... now we can see that this strategy didn't pay off!


You're almost there; I think that AC, after gleefully absorbing CP, figured they didn't need to stretch themselves in order to serve their customers better. I mean, what choice did Canadians have now?

Well, that tactic came back to bite them in the ass. AC's domestic network is facing some stiff competition (WestJet primarily, followed by CanJet, JetsGo, etc.), and foreign rivals are edging in on their international routes. The former AC business plan of using a dominant position to "handle" the Canadian airline market simply did not work - and they found out that the little things do count, not just getting you from A to B. WestJet has made its name in the Canadian domestic market based on "the little things." Foreign carriers have found out that "little things" like PTV and more legroom do matter, especially when their ticket prices are comparable (or even less) than Canada's "flag carrier."

Personnally, I hope they fix their problems and get themselves back on their feet before more AC employees lose their jobs.

[Edited 2003-10-07 17:36:26]


"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

AF-A319

I do have to agree with you the level of service offered by LH compared to AC or for that matter US carriers is like night and day. Also the length of flights I myself would want the ability to pick and chose how I spend my time.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineFlying lsd From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

legroom in Y is poor, very poor, the staff unfriendly, it's just a kind of low cost on int'l sector.
I say at the check-in during my overbooking problem that they maybe think to launch their ZIP brand acroos all network !!!!


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

How is legroom in Y very poor if it's among the best in the industry? Better than most if not all the Europeans? Some people just invent things to say about Air Canada. What airlines have equal or better legroom in Y? You can probably name 3 or 4 at the most.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

"SQ wins it all as they have Audio Video on demand. I love it on SQ..."

Last time I checked, AC has never departed off a closed runway.

Come on people, let's look at what *really* matters.



buhh bye
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Oh c'mon flying isd, I really really wanna know which airlines have more legroom than Air Canada, who you mentioned had very very poor legroom! I can only think of 2 or 3 that might have equal. Please inform us! Thanks in advance.  Smile


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
25 Post contains images Aa757first : The snack before arrival at YUL a piece of pizza on the tray with no knifes or fork. Here in the US the few people who eat pizza with forks are usual
26 Post contains images SafeFlyer : AC has no PTVs in Y-class for an obvious reason, they are under the CCA (the equivalent of Ch. 11 in the US and administration in the UK, please note
27 Goose : As for the crews, it really depends, they have some very good ones, some extremely bad, not pretty, unprofessional ones too, but the "skyhags" as Neil
28 AF-A319 : I think Goose made a good point by underlining the cultural differences between ex-CP employees and AC staff... And I think that Milton and his team d
29 Bowen0614 : It seems that AC is now going to take back the domestic market by lauching some low-cost airlines. I have tried on ZIP, the legroom is better than Wes
30 AF-A319 : West Jet has got a big big competitive advantage : its culture! This culture helps westjet who achieve more with less... i don't really see how AC cou
31 Goose : A merger is usually the hardest thing to handle as a CEO. You have to make two antagonist groups of people work together as a team. Milton failed, and
32 Goingboeing : Here's something that beats a PTV hands down...a book. It can be fiction, non-fiction, funny or serious, and if you nod off on a long flight, you can
33 PER744 : GoingBoeing: I've generally found that on a 14 hour flight, you reach a point about halfway in where your brain can no longer handle reading a book, a
34 CanadaEH : I have a few comments here.. PTV's are overated and airlines are finding out that hardly anyone chooses a flight based on the availability (or not) of
35 Airbus Lover : AC has PTVs in Executive on their A340s. The recline was really great! Legroom was nothing to complain about. Service was generally fine. Nonetheless,
36 Post contains images Hkniceguy : There is no surpise to see PTVs and more legroom in AC Executive Class... Because this is the industry standard out there! While other airlines impres
37 Post contains links and images Hkniceguy : Air Canada View Large View MediumPhoto © Irving Tjin
38 Myk : The JAL looks a little bit old. But you have also do add the LH ! without PTV's.
39 Bowen0614 : I cannot imagine how my 13 hours flight will be if I am flying AC. No PTV, I have to bring something else to entertain myself. That's why I am still w
40 Myk : Bring a sleeping pill. I flew this year wit OS from VIE to YYZ. Ok, its fine to have PTS, but with the lousy seatpitch, the flight is really not a joy
41 Airbus Lover : Hknice guy, I made my comparison in respect to other airlines' business class. The recline is definitely better than that of JL's Skyluxe seats. Compa
42 Post contains images Cessna172RG : My Air Canada experiences have always been good... Salmon in coach, footrests, etc. No PTV's though, but oh well. I was shopping for price. Flights in
43 Myk : When there are no PTV's, I defenitly prefer a Geovision show (Air show). Its much better than a boring film or documentary. Its really sad, I often fl
44 Goose : Zip is being branded as Air Canada's low-cost carrier. Zip is doing miserably (even after offering flights at fares waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay below the pric
45 CanadaEH : By the end of the year, Westjet will have a larger domestic share than Canadian ever had.. pretty cool eh?
46 Post contains images Goose : By the end of the year, Westjet will have a larger domestic share than Canadian ever had.. pretty cool eh? The numbers I saw indicated that WS' share
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