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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

The topic is supposed to read: JetBlue Frontier Merger: Why's Everyone Say So? This thread is about theory and conjecture, not even rumor, let alone fact.

In another thread about the future of the industry, many postulate that Frontier and JetBlue will merge, including me.

But why does everyone think this? I have no basis for it other than their operations compliment each other so well that it just makes sense (to me) to merge them to create a heavy-weight LCC.

After all, B6 serves/will serve (out of DEN) only markets F9 doesn't serve: BOS and JFK. Also, both airlines operate similar fleets and have similar ammenities in-flight. F9 has in important east-west hub in DEN, and the JFK hub for B6 gives F9 access to markets otherwise too far away to serve effectively right now.

That's really my only reasoning. Can anyone else explain their reasons for why they believe this merger might take place?

[Edited 2003-10-07 20:14:35]


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12142 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6746 times:
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I myself do not see it happening. Just my 2 cents.


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

ANYTHING is possible. Martians could come and take over the earth too!

It would not be a bad merger in my opinion. They use different engines for their Airbus' which could increase costs, but is not out of the question. The route network would certainly compliment each other.

Sounds good to me!

What would they call it though?

Jet Frontier?

Frontier Blue?



User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25521 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6627 times:
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It's true that the route maps complement each other beautifully - Jet Blue would suddenly have access to Mexico, for example.

But why would you want it to happen? it would mean the end of Frontier in any recognizable form.

JetBlue CEO Neeleman has already said that JetBlue passengers will never fly on a JetBlue flight that isn't operated by his airline, so I doubt that we'll see even an interline agreement between them - although that has a lot of merit.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16890 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Why the speculation..

Because Nielman worked at PeoplExpress , PeoplExpress was a start-up based at a "then" under utilized NYC Metro Airport (EWR) who grew very rapidly and took over Frontier Airlines based in Denver.

Sound familiar?



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

STT757,

Neeleman never worked at PeoplExpress. The first airline he worked with was Morris Air(which he helped found), which was sold to Southwest. He stayed at Southwest for a time, did not like the corporate culture (it clashed with his Mormon beliefs), help to start up the Open Skies reservation system (which he sold to H-P in 1999, went to Canada to as a consultant to help start WestJet (he had a 5 year non-compete clause in the US with Southwest).
Here's a complete bio on him:
http://www.nynma.org/events/neeleman.asp

[Edited 2003-10-07 21:53:19]

User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6252 times:

Maybe when both airlines decide it would be better to combine operations, but I think that there are too few airlines flying in America today. No more mergers, please!!!

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4521 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

I hope Frontier never mergest with anyone. It really is nice having a sort of "hometown" airline in the west again, I'd hate to see that go.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16890 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

Neeleman is a former CO officer who came over from PeoplExpress.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12142 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6110 times:
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He never worked for CO

Neeleman shares a history of airline success . From 1984-1995, Neeleman was Chief Executive Officer of the Salt Lake City-based Morris Air, which he sold to Southwest Airlines in 1993. He has been CEO of Open Skies, creators of an industry-leading touch-screen electronic reservations and check-in system, which was recently sold to Hewlett-Packard.This information obtained from http://www.jetblue.com/learnMore/about_us.html

Maybe you are thinking of Dave Barger who is COO and President of JetBlue, he came from CO.

See this link for more info

http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleId=CA220133



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User currently offlineAirportGuy1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

Frontier operates an all Airbus fleet in an all coach configuration, equiped with jetBlue's very own DirecTv product. Frontier is switching over from Shares reservation system to Open Skies reservation system after the first of the year, the same system jetBlue uses. The Route maps do indeed fit very well. If there were two airlines that'd fit well, it'd be these two. That being said, I'm not convinced that they are going to merge. I'd not be shocked if there were a code share in the future, but it'll be way down the road.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7801 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

The point that nobody has addressed, and needs to be addressed is that neither party could potentially afford the purchase of the other based on their current market capitalizations... which are only likely to increase.

Postulate and speculate all you want... no merger is likely.



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User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Certainly would be interesting and in today's unstable business environment anything is possible. It would also give both airlines large presence on both the East and West Coast. But what would they call it??? How about Blue Frontier?

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