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AA Or UA Who Will Go First?  
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Is it AA or UA, Which airline do you think will go under first?

[Edited 2003-10-08 00:16:13]

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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Well if it's any of them, UA.

I hope none of them go under.

Regards

[Edited 2003-10-08 00:17:59]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

For my thoughts, I think it will be UA also

[Edited 2003-10-08 00:19:10]

User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Theres a similar post floating around....anway I dont think either will dissappear. AA is better off than UA right now, and even UA is on the turnaround for the better.


Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4477 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

I hope this doesn't come across rude, but....

Can we please stop debating over the death of AA and UA? Neither of them are going to die. Both of them are going to recover, and UA is going to emerge from bankruptcy. Neither of them is going to shut down. It's senseless to keep discussing the demise of these two carriers when it isn't going to happen to either of them, at least not now.

UA has been showing improvement over the past months. So has AA. Recovery is painfully slow in coming for all airlines in the industry, but the fact remains that the situation IS improving, little by little. If UA was going to go bust, it would have done so months to a year ago, not now, where the outlook is looking a bit brighter than it did a while back.

UA is going to be fine, and so is AA. I'd rather we cheer them on in their revocery rather than contemplating gloom and doom for these carriers all the time. AA and UA employees reside on these forums, and I'm sure they appreciate reading comments about when their jobs are going to end when they come here, at the end of busting their butts all day at the check in desks, on the ramps, on the phones and in the air as they work to keep their company alive and efficient. How about we focus on the positive for once.

UA will survive, and so will AA.  Smile


User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Well said Aloha, couldnt agree with you more (even though I DID post....lol)


Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

If either of them were to go, I would bet it's United. United is already in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy and has more belt-tightening to do than American.

User currently offlineAirportGuy1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

I would have thought both would have been fine with UA's slow but steady improvment. But UA's determination to start up starfish, rather than devote all thier resources and effort to make improvments to the main brand may be thier undoing. UA's folly!

[Edited 2003-10-08 00:44:38]

User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Who will go under first? The airline in Chapter 11 or the airline that's not..

 Insane



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User currently offlineBoeingflying31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Is it true that AA can never "die"? I remember I heard this guy saying the U.S. government will always help AA since it is considered to be America's airline. Not sure if thats true but that would be a nice thought.
-BF31


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

I think they are both lucky to be around and should be counting their blessings everyday!

Two airlines in similiar situations that weren't so lucky were Pan Am and Eastern. They didn't get any government loans or bail outs...they were left to fend for themselves and unfortunately, did not survive. Of course the circumstances now are alot different than in the first Gulf Crisis but none the less, produced similiar problems. Back then I could not imagine Pan Am or Eastern disappearing, but they did...as many today could not imagine United or American disappeaing either. If anything, I think Pan Am being the star of commercial aviation for decades, an industry leader, should be around today in it's original state (not based in NH flying to dinky airports).

I have absolutely no respect for our current federal government officials, but in their defense, the airlines owe them their lives. If it wasn't for their help, I would be out of a job now, as would thousands upon thousands of other airline employees.


User currently offlineMikeycpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

What about "United States" Airlines based in Arlington, VA, who came pretty close to a farewell flight? Or "Pan American" Airways (which effectively included 2 continents). I'm not sure no oner airline is unsusceptible.


Some cats think i'm 6 feet, I'm so deep; I can get d-d-down like a pessimist - Common
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

UA definently. United is currently in bankruptcy. Though American Airlines is heavy in debt, it is has not yet declared bankruptcy. It is still maintaining its routes. United my guess will not be around ten years from now, at most. They have been under for over a year, and once a huge airline like that goes under, with many different types of aircraft and huge amounts of employees as well as international routes, it is very hard to rise again.


Fly one thing; Fly it well
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Don't be fooled -- the chance of one of these airlines going under is a distinct possibility. While some people say that the government will "never" let an airline of this size go under, the mood on Capitol Hill is that the government has already given the airlines enough. It would be sad to see a large airline and all of its employees go down, but that may be just what the industry needs.

Of course, UA is in a more precarious position than AA. It will have to emerge from bankruptcy with drastically lower labor costs, less overhead, and better debt service payments than it has today. If it can do this, it will probably be around. Maybe on a reduced basis, but still existant.

For AA, it has already moved to lower its costs, but time will tell if its efforts will prove to work. It never paid its pilots as much as UA, and despite a history of poor labor relations, I think its workers realize that they will need to make sacrifices to save the company.

The bottom line is that the airline industry has seen a drastic -- and I believe permanent -- shift since the year 2000. Business travelers aren't going to be paying $1500 for 1000-mile trips anymore when a conference call, fax or FedEx can do the job. Without those travelers, the majors won't be able to make it with their bloated cost structure. They'll need to cut salaries, improve efficiency, and simplify their operations in order to live.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineCaptcjmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Stupid posting...none will go under, request deletion

User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

SSides:

You posted "For AA, it has already moved to lower its costs, but time will tell if its efforts will prove to work. It never paid its pilots as much as UA, and despite a history of poor labor relations, I think its workers realize that they will need to make sacrifices to save the company."

What do you think that workers at AA have done? We have taken HUGE pay cuts, to the point that I may even lose my condo... We have definitely taken out fare share, the rest is up to management, and the economy. I certainly hope NO one goes under, because it would not be good for the workers, in addition the economy. I cannot imagine if one of the "Big 3" were gone. It would be a NIGHTMARE trying to get anywhere...


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