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Countries Without Flagcarrier  
User currently offlineMyk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

The topic says it all !

I think we have to look to Africa, something like Tchad, or even in Asia with Maldives, since Air Maldives was grounded.

Any other countries ?

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User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

The US dosent really have an official flag carrier. We have several large privately owned airlines but no flag carrier.


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User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Some of the Pacific Islands probably don't have one

User currently offlineMyk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

what about latin america and the caribbean ? Belize ? Haïti ?
Are there still a flag carrier in Paraguay ?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Soon - The Netherlands  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

(Unless the Thalys train to CDG counts ?)


User currently offlineSteph001 From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

As far as I know , Bulgaria has no more flag carrier, since Balkan Airlines went bankrupt.

User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

What constitute a flag carrier of a country? Govt owned?


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User currently offlineLa Carlota From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Venezuela: VIASA


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Although the Venezuelan Government said last week that it's planning to create a new version of it, that would be called 'Conviasa'.

Those orange tails will never be back, though... :-(



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Portugal? Norway (although I guess SAS counts for Norway,Sweden & Denmark)? Bosnia-Hercegovina? Costa Rica? Bolivia? Paraguay? Ukraine? Latvia? Lithuania? Estonia? Iraq? Afghanistan?


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User currently offlineMyk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Portugal => TAP

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Bosnia => Air Bosna

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Bolivia => LAB

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Latvia => Air Baltic

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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

What's the definition of flag carrier? The largest carrier of a particular country? Makes not much sense to just list of the biggest or best known airline from each country if that's not the definition of "flag carrier".



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

There are a lot of countries that have no or no longer have a flag carrier, defined by "Government Owned".

However, thought it has been privatized, I would argue BA is still the flag carrier of Britain. KLM is still the flag carrier of the Netherlands (actually, the current deal has the current owners of KLM with 51% stake, perhaps until Open Skies takes effect).

In any event, there are only a few countries that don't have some sort of official, flag carrier. The US, some smaller/poorer countries without the money, and a few former soviet-block states. Everyone else has a legacy flag carrier or something official.

My $.02...



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User currently offlineManairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Of course the USA has flag carriers. The term flag carrier simply means an airline that holds a licence to operate from its own country to another country under a restrictive bilateral agreement.

As far as government owned is concerned, the term flag carrier is often misused. As an example, in the 1970s BA was government owned but it wasn't the only flag carrier in the UK. British Caledonian was also a UK flag carrier - on routes to Africa - even though it was privately owned.

[Edited 2003-10-08 15:46:18]

User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Ssides, wrong.

Estonian flag carrier:
Estonian Air


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User currently offlineLPL From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

How about Vatican City? Big grin

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

"How about Vatican City?"

And Andora. :P



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User currently offlineMyk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Its true LOL. Andorra planed some years ago to launch an airline or a helicopter service.

And the vatican has the ANGELS as flagcarrier LOL


User currently offlineHoons90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 2999 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
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Portugal? Norway (although I guess SAS counts for Norway,Sweden & Denmark)? Bosnia-Hercegovina? Costa Rica? Bolivia? Paraguay? Ukraine? Latvia? Lithuania? Estonia? Iraq? Afghanistan?

Portugal - TAP
Norway - SAS
Bosnia - Air Bosna
Costa Rica - TACA
Bolivia - LAB
Ukraine - Air Ukraine(Ukraine International ? Aerosvit ?)
Latvia - Air Baltic
Lithuania - Lithuanian Airlines
Estonia - Estonian Air
Iraq - Iraqi Airways
Afghanistan - Ariana Afghanistan



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User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Air Bosna went bankrupt so right Bosnia-Hercegovina had no flag carrier


CB777


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Dear Hoons90 : Taca it´s a private group... not from Costa Rica.
I think nowadays most of the countries hasn´t flagcarriers, since the wave of privatizations, most of the airlines are now owned by private companies/groups/persons



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User currently offlineManairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Any country with restrictive bilateral agreements (as opposed to open skies agreements) has flag carriers - the airline or airlines that are licensed to operate a route under that bilateral agreement. The term flag carrier simply means an airline that holds a licence to operate from its own country to another country under a restrictive bilateral agreement. It has NOTHING to do with ownership, state or otherwise.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

yeah, i dont think Uruguay has one, neither does Palau. I dont think San Marino has a flag carrier, lol, and I dont think Honduras has one, although an airline in Grupo Taca may be its flag carrier. btw, when Copa was in Grupo Taca, did they have thier planes painted in full TACA colors?

-Copa


User currently offlineMatt777 From Cayman Islands, joined Oct 2001, 503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1532 times:

" i dont think Uruguay has one"
Pluna, owned by Varig.
Guatemala has TikalJets Airlines.


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