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TV Special - AirTransat A330-Glider  
User currently offlineCanadianPilot From Canada, joined Mar 2003, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

There is a special on tonite about how Air Transat tried to use an Airbus A330 as a glider in the Azores.

Its on at 10pm Eastern on Discovery. (Note: NOT DiscoveryWings)


-CanadianPilot

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User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 975 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

According to the television guide, it is "Who Killed Jesus?". What is your source on this info?

Kris

[Edited 2003-10-09 03:59:43]


AA - Doing what we do best.
User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 975 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Disregard that last post. I didnt realize that Discovery channel in Canada was on a different schedule.

Kris



AA - Doing what we do best.
User currently offlineQB737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

It is on now!

Ben


User currently offline1world From Canada, joined Jan 2002, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Wow, Thanks for the info. I saw the other broadcast on dateline a few months ago but this one is much different with all the computer animation.


YYZ spotter
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

This looks much better than the Dateline show, but pussy whiney boy is there too!!!


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Which one are you talking about, Captain?

a.w.


User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Thanks for the information. I just finished watching it. It is really interesting to see how one little part can cause the whole A330 to shutdown. Thank god everyone was safe in the ending. I still like Air Transat alot though.

regards,

BWIA330


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

what is the name of the show, in case they show it elsewhere?

User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Marco Scocco was the pussy whiney boy ... don't you remember from the Dateline show, we were discussing it here on a.net? He was much worse and dramatic on the Dateline show though. I'm just being mean though, it would have been a traumatic experience to say the least.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Ya that Marco guy is a looser, he must be an actor or must be one now. He was so dramatic in that performance, he deserves an award! HE puts the canadian EH in A$$HOLE!

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Fantastic show.

I have a new found respect for the Captain Robert Piche and the First Officer. I realize now that it was most likely Air Transat Maintenance how screwed this one.

Mark


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Well ... we'll wait for the final report to be published. But my understanding is, while it's always difficult to be in the actual situation, maybe they didn't handle it properly either. They got themselves into a mess, but they got out of it too. Frankly I think most pilots would have been able to do the same, point towards land and put the sucker down. Still, in the end, the outcome could have been much worse.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offline1world From Canada, joined Jan 2002, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

The program is called "Mayday" and will air again a few more times.

Also in this series is the Swiss Air crash Flt 111 and the Air Alaska Flt 261 crash.

Here is the link to the website with the times and air dates. If you select a date and time, you can send out email reminders.

http://www.exn.ca/ontv/series.asp?series=43601386&TZ=0

Great depiction of the real thing. They did state in the first few minutes that this program is based on educated analysis and not from info from Air Transat and its crew as they declined to participate.



YYZ spotter
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Yeah but if you looked closely, the primary indications didnt show anything of concern.. only after did an extraordinary fuel burn show.

Mark


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2929 times:

I really want to catch the Swissair and Alaska shows too. Both were horrific crashes. Glad the Transat flight didn't end up that way too.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2845 times:

but pussy whiney boy is there too!!!

ROFL Gomez!!

I've seen the Swissair show and I was very very impressed by how it was presented. Swiss and the FAA participated and there is a lot of video footage of the FAA (I hope I'm getting the right organization) searching through the wreakage, problem solving, and eventually solving the question of "why".

I suggest all of you mark that one on your calendar.. VERY good show.

Judging from the way this (AT) show unfolded, I'd think that the pilots will be partially blamed for this. Regardless, they landed safely and that is all that counts in my mind. I just hope that when the report(s) come out that Air Transat's image isn't ruined. We in the industry know that there are those in the public who are quick to judge - and pilot error or maintenance failures can be a reason not to fly on a particular airline.



EH.
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

I'm sure all the publicity damage that's to be done has already been. Didn't seem to really slow things down (too much?) for TS, though. Bottome line - Build your airline on cheap fares and they will come.
I'm wondering if the A330 doesn't have better glider capabilities than say... a B767? In that case, the pilots would have had an advantage setting that big bird down on all fours, thanks (in part) to those long-ass wings?
In spite of it all, I'm truly happy it ended without casualties. The pilots did a good job of averting sure disaster. Also, the aircraft is still in service to this day. And that's a good thing.

a.w.


User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

there is a lot of video footage of the FAA (I hope I'm getting the right organization) searching through the wreakage, problem solving, and eventually solving the question of "why".

Shame on you, CanadaEH, thinking that the American FAA would be heading a Canadian investigation.  Big grin Actually it was the CTSB - Transportation Safety Board of Canada.

John.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

The captain was an idiot to allow the incident to occur. Why he is hailed as some hero is beyond me.

User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Well Greg, myself not being in that flightdeck, they were faced with a situation that they had never seen before. They did the checklists, and worked to the best of their abilities I'm sure. It's easy to say "oh, they opened the cross feed and got all their fuel out the right side, they are idiots." But how would other crews have reacted in the same situation without some sort of precedent?

I tend to agree that the pilots did screw up and got themselves into the situation. I also think they did a very good job of landing, but most would have been able to do the same I'm sure. But I feel calling the pilots idiots is pointless.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

I'm sure all the publicity damage that's to be done has already been. Didn't seem to really slow things down (too much?) for TS, though.

That's true Tony, but don't forget his happened less than 3 weeks before 9-11, so it was quickly forgotten.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Can't wait to see this on Discovery Europe!

Just watched an equally fantastic Discovery documentary on the Concorde crash, putting the entire blame on AF...very interesting.

rgds


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Sad, we dont seem to get the "Mayday" series in the US... at least not on Discovery proper.

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