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Will Anyone Challenge USAir In The Caribbean  
User currently offlineFunFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

It seems that USAir dominates the Caribbean Market do you think that anyone will challenge them?


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Isn't AA pretty dominant in the Caribbean? I thought they had a small hub in San Juan and I know they fly to SXM, Haiti, Montego Bay and Dominican Republic from JFK and MIA

User currently offlineCLEspotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

I thought it would be the other way around...Usair challenging USairways

User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19185 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

I always thought American Eagle had a relatively large hub in San Juan, which served numerous comparatively close-by destinations using the ATR-42 and ATR-72.


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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2343 times:


I think its US Airways challenging (if that) AA/AE.


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

I think AirTran has some pretty big plans for the Caribbean.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

I think Airtran and JetBlue will likely wreck USAirways "run and hide in the high-yield Caribbean" plan. I also expect to see more expansion by both DL and CO in that region....by 2008 the Caribbean will no longer be the land of high fares.

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2332 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

AA is the largest airline in this region. US Has a much smaller operation
in the Caribbean then AA.



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

It's AA/AE dominating the Caribbean and US trying to catch up. US will continue to add destinations from several mainland cities besides their hubs. I would think US will be #2 in the caribbean for many years to come.

User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Give AirTran sometime, once we get some of those bigger 37's on board, AirTran will certainly be flying to a
Carribean Island near you...more news to follow in a year or three.
JMH


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

I firmly believe that it's only a matter of time before some LoCo goes on an expansion blitz to the Carribean, not only from Florida, but from many secondary and tertiary cities throughout the South and East as well.

User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 274 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Nice to see US Airways trying in the Caribbean, but I don't see them dominating over American and AA Eagle soon though.

American is huge in the Caribbean. Remember, they have a hub in MIA, so their will be a lot of ethnic travel from this city to various points in the Caribbean ( Haiti, Domincan Rep., San Juan, Aruba, Jamaica etc.)


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

AA has a long and commanding presence in Latin America and the Caribbean. I am certain that AA will aggressively deal with US just as soon as it is financially capable of doing so. Remember what AA did about TW's incursion into the Caribbean?

User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

AA will likely however have difficulty dealing with FL as well, just like AirTran effectively competes with DL in and out ATL, AirTran has a lower operating cost and will get the bigger carriers where it hurts, in the pocket.
JMH


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1917 times:

AA does better in the Caribbean than US if you count seats and aircraft, but for US's size, it does well in its own right in the region.

AA's MIA and SJU hubs along with market-driven routes to SJU and MIA offer a strong presence, especially with the flexibility of an American Eagle base at SJU (a lot of it prop - but some of these places don't have the demand for more seats). However, US does good in the East Coast - and taking the East Coasters to the Caribbean.

This is good competition, IMHO.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2332 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1909 times:

jmhLUV2fly

I would love to see FL deal with all the HUGE boxes and bags on
their 717 and 73G. Remember that AA has the big bus to the Caribbean,
and it carries a LOT of passengers and cargo, that the smaller planes can't
deal with.



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Believe me sir,
AirTran carries its share of baggage; working in PNS as a FL customer service/Ramp crewmember, Pensacola gets tons of military flights with seabags and duffle bags out the rear end, sometime as many as 100 seabags and duffle bags, we get these flights on average three or so times a week sometimes twice a day...our 717s can carry its share of baggage, and the new birds we plan to acquire 737-700 and 737-800's those airplanes can carry sufficient cargo
Besides, the passenger could care less weather our bin is narrow body airplane bin our a A300 bin...many travelers look for an affordable getaway package to the islands without the steep fares of major carriers.
So in time, AirTran will likely make its move, and pounce on the carribean market, prevailing, despite the size of AirTrans' cargo bins.
JMH


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2332 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

We shall see if FL can cause a stir in the Caribbean, And we are not talking about duffle bags. Pensacola is a far cry from Caribbean, and remember that AA will, and can offer the same fares FL will spit out. And in the long run
people will go for what they know, and they know AA and the big bus. Plus
we are talking about belly cargo, which I know a 73G can't offer the same
capacity.



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Yes, but will American make a profit on those lower fares that AirTran spits out? AirTran will because our cost structure is alot less and American will likely not make a profit, Just ask the Delta boys how they like AirTran, we, a little "unknown" airline definitly cause them alot of problems in and out of Atlanta taking bunches of anual revenue from Delta's pocket and as Joe Leonard, our CEO states there is really not much they can do about it.
And as for American, we are headed towards Dallas, Americans true stomping grounds, just wait till you see what we can do, a little unknown carrier.
We are a force to recon with for certain.
JMH


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32567 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

(a lot of it prop - but some of these places don't have the demand for more seats

It has little to do with demand and more to do with the economic's of AA's ATR fleet. AA's ATR can hold between 42 and 64 people, more than many RJs. They can, however, do two things RJs can't:

1) Takeoff from short runways, which are bountiful in the Caribbean.
2) Offer excellent cargo capacity, especially for such a small aircraft.

Plus, in a leisure market, there is no distinct advantage to have "all jet" service.



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User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

It seems to be pretty much certain that we (AirTran) will be adding many flights to the Carribean; at least that is what the guys in charge are indicating to us and the press. I think it will bring some great opportunities for the LCC's and to those passengers who fly or want to fly to those markets. Maybe B6 will follow suit too?

AA767400..I guess you haven't really seen what baggage comes out of FL flights on a regular basis. There will be a lot of money to be made on excess baggage and the B737NG and B717 are perfectly capable. We have one of, if not the most liberal baggage policies for amount/weight of baggage to be checked in the industry. Our passengers know that well and take full advantage of it! You'll be amazed at the size/weight of baggage we handle everyday system-wide. I bet it tops the industry. To add to all that, we do not run US mail or cargo anymore!



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