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Delta No Longer Using 764 On ATL-HNL  
User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6291 times:

Why is the 767-300ER back on the ATL-HNL nonstop. Were they taking weight penalties so that it couldn't be optimally operated with the 767-400ERs? I was surprised to see this, as the 764 was operating it for a while. What's up here?

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

Sadly, this is only temporary. The FlyerTalkers are saying it has to do with pilot pool selection, as well as getting the rest area product on more aircraft.

The 764ERs will be flying the route again before year's end.


User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

ConcordeBoy,

Why is it "sad" that the 763ER being on that route is only temporary? I am sure it does have to do with the reconfiguring of the 764s, but I enjoyed flying on that aircraft as much as any other. I actually liked the headrests better for that long flight in coach.

Not arguing the point, just incredibly curious about that comment.

Regards,
CAETravlr



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

The 764 is very senior aircraft and recently DL had a large number of retirements by senior DL pilots (about 280). This created a pilot shortage for the 764 which is forcing DL to use the 763ER. The 764 should return in December.

Note: From a customers perspective, the 763ER is the preferable plane since the 763ER has Business Elite seating whereas the 764 has traditional First Class seating.


User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

FlyPNS1,

You mean from an Elite, or First Class customers perspective it is a preferable aircraft then. You are right, the BizElite seats are very very nice, very preferable to the domestic FC seats. However, the bulk of the pax on the aircraft are on the other side of the curtain. I know that I had to fly that flight in coach, and thought the seats were fairly comfy, and appreciated a headrest with some head support. Helped me to sleep better on the flight. Just my personal opinion there though.



A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

Why is it "sad" that the 763ER being on that route is only temporary?

Because the 763ER features BizE, while the 764ER does not.

Considering that ATL/CVG-HNL will be longer than ATL/CVG-CDG, that's a rather sad product inconsistency... but understandable considering that it's the Hawaiian market  Sad


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

CVG is supposed to get its first nonstop to HNL soon - I think Nov. 1 and it will be operated w/ the 764. All DL flights to Hawaii will be back to the 764 in December according to delta.com.

[Edited 2003-10-10 02:56:16]

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4754 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

There will be HUGE demand for HNL by DL pax from Dec onwards till mid Jan so I would definitely expect their B 764s once again flying the route as the vast majority of pax will be flying eco class and not business/first!!! And the 764 has the much needed extra seats in eco to support the rise in demand!!!

User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

SOmeone said the DL 764 is a very senior a/c. Does this mean only the seinor 757/767 Captains and First Officers fly it, or like 777 senior?


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User currently offlineSRD737NG From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

764 is a separate list from the 75,762-3 pilot base, I'm almost certain of it. The 764 has many differences from the 762-3, most noticeably the cockpit layout. It is very similar to the 777 cockpit. I jumpseated on a DL 764 from HNL-LAX a few months ago and the captain made this remark to me --

"This thing is just a half-assed 777." He was more or less expressing his displeasure that his airline ordered it instead of more 777's. I found that humorous personally. I don't think he realized how good he has it flying that thing, collecting the paycheck that he collects.


User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

Does Dl then have pilotds for soley the 764, or are they 757/767 pilots type-rated in the 764?

Sorry to ask so many questions, Im just curious because despite my screename, I want to someday fly for DL.



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User currently offlineKQ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

The First Class on the 764 is slightly superior to regular domesic First. For instance, it has a PTV at every First Class seat.

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

i e-mailed a DL FA friend of mine and that is NOT the reason. All 757/767 pilots are crosstrained, so there is another reason, but what???

User currently offlineJayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

DAL pilots are trained on the 757/767,200,300,300er
the 400 is different, and the airline is trying to get 777 crews to be able to fly it with difference training, b/c it has such a similar cockpit lay out...


User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

I would have thought DL would use their regular 757/767 crews on them, but I guess the flight deck on the 764 is closer to the 777. Thanks for the info.
Maybe the other reason you are wondering about Flairport, is just a seniority thing. Its a new plane, closer in size to the 777, similar lay-out so maybe the decided the most senior pilots fly it.




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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

and the airline is trying to get 777 crews to be able to fly it with difference training, b/c it has such a similar cockpit lay out...

Depending on where the 777 crew came from, that may be impossible.

If they promoted up from the 75/76, so be it. But if they converted over from the MD-11 and the L-1011 prior to that, they don't have the right type rating.

The 767-400 only requires brief differences training for 75/76 pilots, but the 777 is a wildly different aircraft in all regards.

N


User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

My flight instructors dad is was a captin on the DL 757/767. He is in training right now for the 764. That aircraft is in a leage of its own. Yeah it has it is comparable to the 777 cockpit but right now the 764 has its own separate flight crews.

Kind sucks huh?


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

42 Delta 767-400 pilots retired last month. Is that really a big enough population to cause this change of equipment?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

"This thing is just a half-assed 777." He was more or less expressing his displeasure that his airline ordered it instead of more 777's.

Boeing as well wanted DL/CO to replace their trijets with 772As, but the airlines didn't agree.

Considering that their exclusivity contracts had recently been terminated, no doubt they dangled their newfound ability to order the A332 over Boeing's head, to get what they wanted.


User currently offlinePolnebmit From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Is Delta ordering Airbus?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Nope.

The A310s are most likely the last Airbuses you'll see in DL's colors for a longgggg time to come  Big grin


User currently offlineKl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4801 times:


Maybe a stupid question, but how can a Business class be better then a First Class? If Domestic First Class is not the same as International First, why don't they call it Business Class?



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User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

"The A310s are most likely the last Airbusses you will see in DL's colors"


Wanna bet??


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

Kl911:

DL's BusinessElite is better than First Class because of personal space - superior in the current Business Class offering (UnitedBusiness-UA, BusinessFirst-CO, etc.) - this is a Superior offering because on the routes that this is usally offered (not Hawaii) - Business class sells - so there must be a competitive product offerred. Now (and into the future in my opinion) - First Class is just a perk for frequents and the occasional sale - and only used domestically. Further, if a airline sells First, Business, and Coach and companies have a 1-class upgrade for long flights - it will be Business that the company can buy. So that is what they will eventually offer a (the US-based airlines) 2 class configuration. AA and UA still have a three-class config for int'l flights, but we will see how long that lasts.

I personally like th DL 763-Biz config better than the 764 in both cabins for the following reasons:

Premium - The Business Elite seat and space is superior, no question.

Economy - The 764 has a total accomodation of 282 passengers (some of those in first) - very crowded the way DL equipps the aircraft and the 763 has a total accomodation of 190 - so there are less total people - making the boarding and deplaning take that much longer.



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4503 times:

I'm willing to bet that if Boeing would have used 767-300 technology in the -400, it would have sold better due to commonality.

25 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Wanna bet?? With someone who places a wager before reading/comprehending the last six words in a sentence?? Sure! Why not The 764 has a total accomoda
26 B4real : ConcordeBoy: My bad, type-o 287 for the B764
27 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : s'all good Sad that DL's 3rd-largest aircraft is by far its largest-capacity
28 Calpilot : I thought we had this covered? The B767-400 Type rating is the SAME as every other B767 or B757. DL splits the sub-base of pilots between the two grou
29 IndustrialPate : Thanks for clearing that up, Calpilot.
30 Bucky707 : "Wanna bet?? With someone who places a wager before reading/comprehending the last six words in a sentence?? Sure! Why not" I fully comprehend the las
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