TxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 48 Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
and just FYI, according to the DOT the leading carrier (and their market share) on these routes:
SEA AS 54%
PDX WN 77%
SLC WN 65%
GEG WN 72%
LAX AS 51%
Las Vegas WN 87%
PHX HP 65%
DEN UA 47%
RNO WN 98%
SAN AS 44%
SFO AS 60%
OAK WN 92%
ORD UA 60%
SMF AS 76%
DFW AA 33%
MSP NW 71%
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4397 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2354 times:
"May the bird of paradise fly up your nose"
What do you mean? Wishful thinking for Aloha to start service to Boise?
TxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 48 Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2317 times:
Dear Aloha:
Please don't tell me you have never heard a song by Little Jimmy Dickens titled "May The Bird Of Paradise Fly Up Your Nose"
the chorus goes something like this:
"May the bird of paradise fly up your nose.
May your wife be plagued with runners in her hose.
May an elephant caress you with his toes.
May the bird of paradise fly up your nose."
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4397 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2308 times:
Nope, never heard of it. Interesting sig line though. (Unless it was meant for this thread)
MCIB757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 280 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
I can't believe how high up the list MCI was, very surprising.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
Wow...somewhere around 120 passengers a day on BOI-SAN. I'm surprised Horizon couldn't sustain the route with a CRJ-700.
Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1856 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1989 times:
Hey there little buddy
I don't know, that is rather interesting. Maybe that could be an incentive for WN to start a BOI-BWI... Gosh would that be somethin? Hey where are my presents? (Wink-Wink) LoL, talk to ya later!
my views expressed here are my own, and do not represent any company or organization
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
O&D: Origin and Destination, used to determine the demand for a nonstop flight between two cities
Burma's constitutional referendum options: A. Yes, B. Go to Insein Prison!
L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1843 times:
Anyone know where to get this data for other airports?
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1831 times:
BOI-BWI being the most popular rute via connections, geez...
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Maybe that could be an incentive for WN to start a BOI-BWI.
There's an average of 47 passengers per day, per direction. Maybe we should write DL and let them know this secret -- maybe they'll fly a B764 between these two cities daily! Or better yet, maybe we should let UA know & see if they'll put a B777 or B744!!!!!!
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
LUVBOI- Do know that Boise has not gone unoticed by an east coast carrier who will be doing expansion later next year. In fact many of the North South routes out of BOI were studied very heavily by this carrier and the code name of their target is "ArcticFire". I'm sure you can figure that one out, and as the aircraft start arriving, you will see. This too is true of SLC where the name of the operation is "TriangleChop".
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
Leneld, the City of Portland has made a very very attractive offer to
a carrier to make a very large presence there. ONly problem is PDX is not
geographically suited for a good hub & spoke system, and is pretty much reliant on O & D traffic to be successful. As for the several carriers looking at West Coast Expansion, SEA is pretty well set with AS for North-South hub traffic feed, and their EastCoast service is pretty much O & D, or regional feed from Wash or Oregon. So you wont see AirTran or JetBlue make any huge inroads in SEA. B6 has several west coast inland cities they are looking at for "focus" cities, as does AirTran. B6 is close to being maxed out at LGB. Furthermore LGB does not attract a large amount of "business" traffic and is more of a leisure & indicental (meaning people travel from there only to get the lower fare) market. Because of its limitations it will never make a large hub operation at LGB, it will always be a focus city for points East. Also look for B6 to find another city in the LA area to be more of a hub city for North South Traffic. (OAK-LGB will become a thing of the past & LGB will see these flights replaced with traffic going farther East.) With this any carrier looking for feed in a focus or small hub & spoke operation will definitely be looking at any inland Western City that does not charge like Denver to have a presence, and that can generate enough traffic on its own to reach 45% load factor, with the other capacity being fed by the spokes. Look to see one or both of these carriers create a western focus city with a mini hub, and then have a lot of point to point service very similar to What southwest currently offers.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5667 posts, RR: 17 Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1671 times:
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
FATflyer, as a matter of fact I did participate in some additional meetings, in gathering data for about 13 Western Airports. You might also note that in my post I predicted that DL would retrench in Boi. While that hasn't yet happened, it did in GEG, BIL, BZN, PSC, MSO & FCA. Look for Boi to be a total DL CXN city within the next 6 months.
TxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 48 Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1622 times:
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5667 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
Thanks SunValley,
I just notice things like that with a few of mid-sized airports that I like to follow.
I know that people in Boise may not like the idea of mainline changing to RJs but it wouldn't be too much of a surprise with SLC changing. I know that pax counts at BOI are still dropping slightly, down what about 9 or 10% over the last few years and back to 1998 levels. Haven't heard how yields have been.
Now if we could just get people to notice that FAT's counts have continued to increase (up 4% this year) we might see more service here.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
IloveBOI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1498 times:
SunValley,
I was very interested in that post you just made and I was wondering if anyone could figure out this "ArcticFire". You say that they have been studying routes out of Boise? I'd love to know which airline it is. I wonder if it is big or small. Small, most likely.
I BOI
25 SunValley: LUVBOI, My colleagues and I who are in the industry and have worked for a number of carriers each, always find strategy code names for marketing, test
26 Copaair737: I do not think that DL mainline is pulling out of BIL yet. I was on the BIL website, and instead of 1 MD90 flight and 6 express flights, there were 2
27 SunValley: As of Jan 7, 2004 DL mainline will no longer be present in any Montana City, all flights will be operated by SkyWest, Comair or ASA
28 IloveBOI: Interesting about DL Mainline...hope they don't pull out of Boise I BOI
29 Geg2rap: SunValley DL will still fly to Bozeman 2x738 per day but they will be the only one and that might end after ski season
30 SuperDash: Well that's interesting, but it shows how fast the traffic numbers fall off. If you figure that a 70 seat plane flying one round trip produces just ov
31 IloveBOI: lol, SuperDash, ArcticFire does sound like a disaster name. I BOI
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