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Delta Adding 777 To ATL-LAX  
User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

It looks like Delta's new winter schedule has a 777 flying from Atlanta to Los Angeles. Flight times are as follows:

ATL-LAX
10:50A - 12:35P

LAX-ATL
1:45P - 8:55P

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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9125 times:
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Wow - why though? With as few 777s DL has, this seems a little wasteful...

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9068 times:

Maybe to utilize the aircraft when it just sits on the ground before the wave of European/Tokyo flights depart?

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9068 times:

Maybe the plane comes from Tokyo, and has some dead time before it's scheduled to fly to Europe. At least I hope that's the case, because I totally agree with Flashmeister that it seems like a waste.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

It could be the NRT spare aircraft.

When DL had more MD11s around they usualy had one that departed shortly after the ATL-NRT flight departed. If they needed an aircraft, they'd just swap the two.


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

I heard they were going to ramp up the ATL-LAX route because FL and B6 are flying that market now...B6 is of course LGB, but that's close enough.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8957 times:
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DL better be careful if that's the case and not get caught for dumping in that market... I assume that ATL-LAX was a 767 market before?

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8893 times:

DL ran an MD-11 on the early ATL-LAX (summer only, I think), even before B6 began LGB-ATL.

User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

Very shocking news to me, but I wish Delta would focus more on the international market? Does Delta plan to add the 777 onto more international routes as well? What about the 767-400s? I think Delta needs to put these two first on the international service routes, especially the 767-400. The 777 serves Frankfurt and London Gatwick, but I think they should expand it to ZRH and NRT, as well as the 767-400, but keep the 767-300ER overseas as well.


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User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8756 times:

They will probably rotate the 3 B777s like how they do with the three MD-11s they have left now. One does flight 55 and one does flight 56. The spare, instead of sitting in ATL all day, it can do the LAX roundtrip. If one B777 breaks down or go out of service in ATL they can throw that spare to NRT and throw in a 763 or 764 for LAX roundtrip.

TokyoNarita


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8741 times:

DL has mixed up the ATL-LAX aircraft. In the past few years, I have seen it operate with a MD-11,B757,767-200,767-300Biz,767-300Dom,767-400,L-1011-x.

The 777 will be a great compliment to the market traffic, especially for that long of a flight. Where DL operates the 777 ATL-MCO - I think that is a waste as the short distance can allow you to increase frequency, IMHO. But they move a lot of people to DisneyWorld  Smile

The passengers would like that, I suppose, unless it is full. But it may be a rotational/spare operational move -= coincidentally there with B6 presence.

They also may be trying a slick trick - with the demand about the same, if you add more seats to the route (the 777 has accomodation for 277 pax the way DL equips it) and lets say this 777 flight is replacing a B-763Biz aircraft, (which has 190 seats as DL equips it) that gives you 87 more seats per day that could be available at DL's L, U, and T fares - probably similar to that offered by B6 and others - Like fare code U is $278 round-trip with taxes ATL-LAX non-stop when purchased online. T fares would likely be only available via connection and not ATL Origin or Destination - like SAV-ATL fare code T is $348. Not bad prices!

But those 87 seats @ a lower fare code are suspicously close to a B6 aircraft's capacity! Just 'nuff to tick them off hm.....



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8716 times:
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The 777 flight from ATL to LAX is not anymore waisteful than flying the 777 between ATL and MCO. AA flies 777's between MIA (?) and DFW to LAX. UA flies them routinely between ORD and DEN to LAX. The 777 doesn't hold any more than their L-1011's did in the past.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8721 times:
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The 777 flight from ATL to LAX is not anymore waisteful than flying the 777 between ATL and MCO. AA flies 777's between MIA (?) and DFW to LAX. UA flies them routinely between ORD and DEN to LAX. The 777 doesn't hold any more than their L-1011's did in the past.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

OK - the takeaway is, if you can fill it, fly it.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

You will not see a DL 764 in Europe, probably ever, but certainly not for a long time.

Don't confuse yourselves - this is an airplane that would be sitting on the ground otherwise. Glad DL is making use of it. There will be no increased 777 flying to Europe, DL already has every frame that can be utilized on such a route utilized - they keep one 777 for a spare.

United has many flights that originate in SFO, go to ORD or IAD, continue to Europe, then return to SFO by way of ORD or IAD. DL may be doing the same thing with a thru service to Europe from LAX.

N


User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

Allright! A DL 777 scheduled to the west coast! Its about time!....maybe they'll fill BA's 777 slot here in SAN with service to ATL or JFK or something
....wishful thinking, I know...



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

Gigneil: You will never see a 764 in Europe. They don't equip them with the BusinessElite configuration.


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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8319 times:

They will probably rotate the 3 B777s like how they do with the three MD-11s they have left now. One does flight 55 and one does flight 56. The spare, instead of sitting in ATL all day, it can do the LAX roundtrip. If one B777 breaks down or go out of service in ATL they can throw that spare to NRT and throw in a 763 or 764 for LAX roundtrip.

That is precisely what the idea is.

DL may be doing the same thing with a thru service to Europe from LAX.

No, DL115 and DL114 terminate in LAX and ATL, respectively.

Very shocking news to me, but I wish Delta would focus more on the international market? Does Delta plan to add the 777 onto more international routes as well?

Delta just added the 777 on ATL-AMS service. The 777 now serves LGW, CDG, FRA, and AMS. NRT will come in January 2004.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8225 times:

Yep! This is would be very good move with DL. This is way that will get added more B777 delivery anytime soon. Those are quite doing very well with flight of ATL-LAX.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7974 times:

Timing is everything! DL brings their 777 into LAX just as CO is pulling theirs out! Unbelievable! Given the time that DL 777 is on the ground and if CO had retained their svc. In April 2004 when AA begins LAX-AA), Japan">NRT. All four US carriers operating 777s would be on the ground and lined up respectively.
T4 - 2/3-AA 777s 1000-1300 (LHR 777 arr 1400)
T5 - DL 777 1050-1235
T6 - CO 777 1030-1230
T6 - UA 777s all day long
T7 - UA 777s all day long

Imagine the line up and photo opportunities from 1100-1230!
CO has started and stopped 777 svc 4 times now...if that's any clue, odds are they'll be back!


BN747



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2806 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7945 times:

Finally! In a time when airlines are cutting back, it's nice to see DL take their flagship west of...ATL! I simply can't wait to catch a DL triple 7 at LAX.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7916 times:

Modesto2 they had 777 charters here in late Apr/May sometimes two were on the grown at the same time.

BN747



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User currently offlinePeachAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

All,

It is very interesting to watch everybody speculate as to why Delta is flying Boeing 777's to LAX. The real reason why Delta is doing this is to give newly trained pilots time in the 777, and to give trainees jump seat time outside of the simulators and this is something Delta has done many times before with different aircraft. The MD-11's are coming off line and those pilots need seat time in the B777 before they actually start flying the long hauls. The B777 will start service to NRT on Jan 1, 2004. When Delta first got the MD-11 they did the same thing ATL-DFW-LAX and return for several months. LAX Photographers, don't plan on the 777 being on this route for very long! As far as the 777 flying ATL-MCO-ATL, this was primarily to utilize the aircraft down time to maximize revenues. DL did this with the 777 between JFK and MCO at one time as well.




User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

PeachAir: Likely true on the training topic - but DL used the MD-11 to fly to DFW just last year.

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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7686 times:

As for DL's use of a 777 on the MCO-ATL route, it is not a waste. If you've ever tried to get back to ATL out of MCO as a non-rev, you know what I'm talking about. The flights down aren't packed to the gills, but if you're trying to get back to ATL on many of the flights during the day, you're going to be stuck there until evening. Over the years, DL has used a mix of L-1011s, 767s, MD-11s, and 777s on the route, and I actually laugh at the fact that the last flight of the day to MCO is with a CRJ (which means that this flight was going out pretty empty with whatever they used to use on the last flight down there, first flight out the next day).

25 Benjamin : Gigneil: You will never see a 764 in Europe. They don't equip them with the BusinessElite configuration I thought I read a trip report here about som
26 B4real : All DL 764s are first class config. They must have 'spotter confusion' between a 763 and 764 - I do it all the time if I can't see the beveled wing ti
27 Post contains images SafetyDude : About ATL-MCO and the 777: DL's 764 carries more people then the 777. P.S. Over the past summer in August, I was supposed to fly ATL-MCO on a 777, but
28 B4real : The MD-11 has made a number of substitutions for the 777 on the ATL-MCO route. I have not seen it much recently, but doubt it will stop doing that any
29 ConcordeBoy : Same product, just wider seats on the 7th Wonder, relative to the 767
30 BN747 : Peach, Most certainly the DL 777s utilization is ephemeral in the LAX market. But with Delta being a carrier the size that it is...sooner or later it'
31 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : AA having 42 777s, UA 59 ships (plus a respectable number of 747-400s) and Delta with a paltry 8 777-200s. Do the math...how long can they tread water
32 FlyPNS1 : BN747, DL doesn't need all the 777's that AA and UA do. None of DL's South American routes can fill a 777 and most of the European routes could only f
33 DeltaRules : There are more 777s coming. Delta.com says that they have 5 on order, which, I saw on another site, will be delivered around 2005-2006...orders that w
34 Goose : 738s going to WS? Are you talking about the two 738s that were leased to WS in 2002?
35 Keesje : Why is Delta buying so few 777´s ? Are they satisfied with the type ?
36 ConcordeBoy : Keesje, Delta originally ordered thirteen 777s (eight of which they currently have in service) and planned to order more.... but unrest with DALPA ove
37 TokyoNarita : **************************************************************** DL cannot and won't be able resist -- when the time comes--to reclaim it's place in t
38 BN747 : FlyPNS1 wrote: There will be no big return of DL to Asia either (unless UA completely fails which I don't think will happen)....that's what KE and NW
39 Joleb : very good choice Delta! as long as you keep ATL-CDG on 777 as well thats very fine with me
40 FlyPNS1 : BN747, I'm not doubting that there is growth potential in Asia. However, DL is not in any position to take advantage of it and they never will be. Yes
41 767Lover : Re: Delta's viability in Asia: Given the terrific service-oriented reputation of Asian carriers -- Singapore Air and Malaysian in particular -- and th
42 BN747 : 767Lover...I whole heartedly agree with you..I'd take any any asian carrier to Asia over any of the US carriers. Although the US carrier's suck domest
43 Gigneil : Gigneil: You will never see a 764 in Europe. They don't equip them with the BusinessElite configuration. I'm not suggesting you will... but if DL does
44 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : and PDX...what the hell were they thinking? They already had a hub in SLC...that probably would have had better chance tha PDX as bizarre as that soun
45 TokyoNarita : ***************************************************************** And PDX...what the hell were they thinking? They already had a hub in SLC...that pro
46 BN747 : ConcordeBoy wrote: 'While PDX's Asian demand may not be on par with LAX, SFO, SEA, etc; it certainly exsists. Same cannot be said for SLC' Maybe.....a
47 Post contains images B4real : ConcordeBoy says: No they havent. 73Ss are being retrofitted into 2 classes and based at CVG I have had heard that - probably here, and probably from
48 BN747 : B4real, Actually DL has had (and still might) the 777 in CVG just this year..it was doing a sked Euro run. I was floored when I saw it...but CVG is DL
49 N757KW : For DL to operate trans Pacific they better do some major revamping to their aircraft. The Asian carriers alone would eat DL up in service and various
50 Post contains images B4real : BN747 It truly was a treat to see the DL B777 running the CVG-CDG and CVG-FRA routes. I agree. They shuffle them around a lot, but it is nice to see.
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