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Malaysia Airlines To Buy Embraer 170?  
User currently offlineVector From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 214 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 611 times:

MAS plans to revamp short-haul fleet - Air Transport Intelligence news, Brendan Sobie - 14/10/2003

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) is planning a major restructuring of its regional and narrowbody fleet, with the Embraer 170/190 family considered the leading candidate.
Managing director and CEO Mohammed Nor Yusof says changing market conditions has prompted the carrier to couple previously separate reviews of Fokker 50 and Boeing 737-400 replacements.
"We have to look at both," Yusof says.
Yusof points to the growth of Malaysian low-fare carrier Air Asia and changing market conditions in southern China, Indonesia and Singapore. In response, MAS is revising its business plan. At least one new aircraft type will be part of the new business plan, with the Airbus A318, Embraer 170/190, Boeing 717, Boeing 737-700, Bombardier CRJ700/900 and Bombardier Q300/Q400 all under consideration.
"It is under very active review," Yusof tells ATI. "It has to fit in with our overall business plan. It’s not just the F50 we should look at. It should be in conjunction with the 737 as well."
MAS operates ten 50-seat F50 turboprops on short-hops from a base in eastern Malaysia and 39 144-seat 737-400s on a mix of short and medium-haul legs. Industry sources consider Airbus and Boeing as long shots in the competition given most of the 737 routes now suffer from low load factors.
Bombardier is trying to convince MAS the Q300/400 is the only profitable candidate to replace the F50s and 737s, respectively, given they generally operate on low yield short haul routes with increased competition from Air Asia. But MAS is unsure how its business passengers would react to turboprops.
MAS holding company Penerbangan Malaysia (PMB) also appears to be in favour of the Embraer 170 to support a government-wide push to increase trade with Brazil, which includes the anticipated buy of four Embraer 145 airborne early warning and control aircraft.
Government-owned PMB is responsible for ordering all MAS aircraft, last year signing a memorandum of understanding for six A380s that Yusof says will be confirmed shortly.
A regional aircraft decision is expected next year although sources say PMB was close to sealing a deal for 170s a few months ago before MAS decided it wanted to more closely analyse operating cost data manufacturers have provided for select short-haul routes. MAS plans to retain its feeder network at roughly 50 aircraft, believing business travellers are willing to pay a premium over AirAsia and regional services are needed to support its international network.
"We realise the importance of a feeder network," Yusof says.
But he says MAS may need to tweak its regional network to take into account opportunities for expansion in southern China and the anticipated growth of low-fare carriers in Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore.
"The general market is changing fast - Air Asia and regionally," he says. "The economic activity around this region is developing very fast, so you can put your finger on any scenario. … There is a lot of potential, but you need to plan for when it comes."

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User currently offlineTriple Seven From United States, joined Apr 2000, 514 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 537 times:

I think the Dash8-300/400 is out of question. Malaysians, or even most Asians, in nature will not accept a downgrade replacement (Dash8 for 737s). Malaysians will look at it as inferior service and rather fly AirAsia.

If the need is there to consolidate the short-hop F50s operations with that of the 737s the best replacement should be the 737NGs or A320s. Both products offers the needed range and capacity to swap around depending on operational needs (domestically and regionally). I'm not gonna pay premium price to get my butt stucked in a Dash8 or 170s if I fly domestically (overwater flights comes to mind) or regionally with MAS while some other chap pays just RM29 and get to fly AKs 737 and beat me to my destination.

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 524 times:

I concur with Triple Seven but I have to say EMB170s wouldnt be too bad but then i would still see it as a downgrade from a B737.

User currently offlineOdie From United States, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 479 times:

The E-170s look pretty comfy to me. I don't mind flying in one of those planes at all.


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Alternatively, they could go for the A318 on the domestic routes and A320/321 for some regional routes. What MH really needs is a smaller plane to operate at a higher frequency to some regional destinations. But then again, there are a lot of people who think that flying in a 10 year old widebody is better than flying in a brand new narrowbody.

If they are indeed providing feeder services to support its international network, then I wouldn't see any problem with the E-170s at all. After all, a lot of people from Australia, Europe and America are used to travel across the continent in a narrowbody.

User currently offlineTriple Seven From United States, joined Apr 2000, 514 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 458 times:

I think the best fit would be 737-600/700/800 or even 900. Look at it this way, if 170 is the choice MAS would probably need another aircraft to close the capacity gap between the 170 and A332.

User currently offlineDAL12 From United States, joined Jun 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 428 times:

The 170 has airliner standards for comfort. Compared to an A320 it is a minor downgrade, but compared to a 737 or 717 it is absolutely not.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 400 times:

Not true. The cabin of the 737 and 717 both have advantages over the A320 in certain areas. Note that your shoulder does not hit the sidewall on either the 737 or 717. On the A320, because of the high floor (for more width at seat cushion level)..your shoulder rests on the sidewall most the time. It's a little uncomfortable at times.

At any rate..most carriers use the same width seats for both 73NG's and 32X's....leaving the aisle wider.

User currently offlineDAL12 From United States, joined Jun 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 390 times:

With the A320 you have 6 extra inches to configure it to be easily more comfortable than any Boeing narrowbody. So yes, it has inherently better cabin comfort -- the way airlines chose to configure is immaterial. It's always nicer to have the option than not.

As with the 170, the room per passenger is very competitive, and the fact that the cabin doesn't have the overall volume as others is easily made up by the fact that you don't have to deal with any middle seats.

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