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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6814 times:

Hey guys!

I was just wondering, having never flown in a turboprop, how is it different from a jet? Besides the fact that it's smaller, is it a lot less comfortable? I've heard that everyone on board gets sick all the time, but was wondering how true is that. One of the last times I flew, I had a choice of booking a jet flight, or a turboprop. Not to take any chances, I flew on a jet. Did I make the right decision? What do you guys think?


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

I never pass up the chance to fly on a turboprop! They are every bit as safe as their larger cousins, and the takeoffs on a short runway are great!


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User currently offlineBeltwaybandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Turboprops are noisier and in my experience tend to fly at lower altitudes. Smaller plane at lower altitudes generally means more exposure to turbulence. The fact that they have props rather than jets does not have any effect on turbulence.

User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6240 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

The Dash-8Q series is in fact roomier than the CRJ series. The aisle height, for example, is 7 inches higher.


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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

Without a doubt jets have their advantages. However, I enjoy taking a couple of turboprop trips or segments each year. There's just something about the noise of the engines, the smallness of the cabin (at over 6'3" I don't know why I like the smallness of it) and the experience of walking out onto the apron to get to the aircraft. I've also found that typically you get to interact with your fellow pax on these flights due to the smallness of the cabin. It's also a good way to put the massiveness of other aircraft into perspective. There's nothing like taxiing along in IAD and going pass the big birds.

Call it nostalgia, but if time's not an issue and you don't mind a bit extra noise, I'd go for it next time.

NS



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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6671 times:

The ATR72-500s are good and reasonably large (sits around 66 - is that the largest passenger turboprop?). With a good airline, the interior is not much different to a jet.

Your experience will depend on which type of aircraft you're on. The smaller ones can be sometimes quite scary. Generally speaking, turboprops are not as comfortable as a jet, but getting on a short-haul turboprop flight is a good experience.

Personally, I don't really like single aisle jets. I would prefer a twin-prop for short haul domestic and a twin (aisle and engine) jet for anything more than 2 hours.


User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

You made a fine decision to fly on a jet, but if you get the chance, check out a turboprop. I just had my first turboprop ride this summer. It was on an ATR-72-200. I have to say though, it was a bit noisier than a jet, but overall it was a good experience. Also on the ATR there is a lot of room in the cabin. Haha, and nobody, myself included, got sick on that flight!  Smile

TW



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6626 times:

My main concern when faced with flying a turboprop, is the potential for turbulance. I made the mistake of flying a Skywest Embraer 120 from IDA (Idaho Falls) to SLC, and I have never been so sick in my life. But I also flew US Airways Express Dash-8 from AVP (Scranton/Wilkes-Barre) to PIT, and it was a great flight.

So, my advice: definitely go for a jet when there are significant mountains inbetween the two points. Otherwise, it's a toss-up. Jets and props both have their advantages and I like both, as long as I'm not tossing my chunks up over the Great Salt Lake.  Big grin


User currently offlineCLEspotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

I was on Shuttle America flight something from CLE to PIT and I got sick but we then borded the Dash 8 and let me say thats a heck of a nice, sturdy aircraft. I will always take up a chance to fly on the Dash 8 if you can.

User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 976 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

I've never gotten the chance to fly on one. I'd definetly love to give it a try as long as it wasn't a beech 1900, they seem a little sketchy as of late.

Tim


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6481 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

Most turboprop planes have the wing on the top of the fuselage. Many of them have the wing main spar running through the cabin.

If you are 6' or taller, watch out and don't bang your forehead against the lower cieling at the wing main spar when boarding/deboarding.

I would have loved to get that warning in advance.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6542 times:

Big turboprops like ATRs or Dash 8-300 and-400 are very comfortable and roomy for a short trips. On longer routes (over 1,5 hour) the noise becomes annoying.

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

I have flown on several Saab340s and EMB-120s, and I have to say that despite the noise and bumps, they are fine planes. It feels more like "flying" to me; something about it makes you feel the gravity trying to bring the plane down (but not in a scary way). Of the two props, I prefer the EMB-120; it seems to have a slightly smoother ride.

Nevertheless, I am glad that RJs are replacing turboprops on many smaller-city routes. For the vast majority of the flying public, turboprops suck, and more jets means more customers.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

One thing more - avoid Junkstreams (JS41) - the are really crappy.

User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

I've flown on quite a few turboprops, from the Fokker F27 and Convair 640 to both sizes of the ATR, Saab 340 (my favorite) and the Dash 8. Turboprops tend to be a rougher ride due to the fact they fly at lower altitudes than jets and noisier as well, as other posters have pointed out. I wouldn't want to fly one for more than an hour or two, but I must admit most of my turboprop flights were good.

The roughest flight I've ever had was on a Dornier 228 from Grand Rapids, Michigan to Chicago's Midway airport during a snowstorm. I also flew on a Saab 340 out of Buffalo, NY to JFK through a snowstorm yet the flight wasn't very rough. I was very impressed with the 340's ride through a very intense storm!

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User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6341 times:

Well, the modern turboprops like Saab 2000, Do-328, Dash-8-Q400 are in now way comparable to the older models like the Fokker 27. A Saab 2000 for example can cruise at FL290 and has an active noise reduction system, making it very quiet and vibration-free inside. Considering e.g. Swiss International, their Saab 2000's even offer more legroom and space than their Embraer 145 counterparts.

I nearly always prefer a turboprop over a jet....

Cheers,

Tom


User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

I Recently bought some noise canceling headphones.. I tried them on a 10hr 767 flight and they work wonders.. Now.. Do they work on turboprops? I'm going to fly on the Saab 340 and I want to know if they will do any good...


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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

Turboprop=Low, Slow, Noisey
Not bad on a short flight. The only time I really enjoy them if there is some topography in which I would like to see. Most do not seem to land very well with any cross wind componet mostly due to their size in relation to slow speed I would guess.
ATR prop brake is interesting when sitting on the tarmac and taxiing.


User currently offlineCitationX From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

I've flown on Metroliners, SF340s, EMB-110s and EMB-120s. The SF340 and EMB-120 flights are as smooth and quiet as flying on an older 737-200 or DC-9-10. The cabins are comfortable and the block times on the routes I took them on (MRY-LAX, BUR-SJC) were only a few minutes longer than comparable jet flights.

The Metroliner was a fun plane to fly on. I'm 5'9" and still had to bend at the waist to get to my seat. It was a noisy little dude but fun to fly on. The narrow wingspan made me feel nearly every burble of air in the seat of my pants, but since I like to fly even small planes, that was okay.

The EMB-110 (a.k.a. "The Bandit") might have been the noisiest plane I have flown on since taking a nostalgia ride on a Island Airlines Ford Tri-Motor from ORL back in the early 1980s (which was something akin to flying inside a motorized, metal garbage can). The 3-across seating was snug, and it lacked pressurization ("POP" goes the ears!). Still the leather seats and rugged construction impressed me. Yep, I thought it was a fun ride, too.

About the only turboprop I would try to avoid is the Beech/Raytheon 1900/2900. My uncle is a corporate pilot for a Georgia law firm, who has thousands of hours in turboprop planes such as the Piper Cheyenne, Rockwell Turbo Commander and Beech Super King Air, tells me that the 1900/2900 are generally underpowered and especially dangerous in engine-out situations. He also says they are not rugged enough for consistent high-cycle, heavy load commuter airline use - after all, the basic airframe was intended for lower-cycle corporate use.


User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6092 times:

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User currently offlineAApilot2b From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 572 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

If your comparing to regional jets, many of the turbo props are actually roomier inside (Dash-8, ATRs, etc...). I love the turboprops and take any opportunity I get to fly on one.

User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Most turboprops are great. But I vow to stay away from J-31/41's.


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User currently offlineUPSfueler From United States of America, joined May 2003, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

Yeah, give me a brasila, ATR, or Saab any day over an RJ. I prefer the turboprop because you get a better feel of the plane in flight than you do with an RJ.

User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6240 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

The Dash8-Q400 is quite an aircraft. Pax capacity is up to 78. Cruise speed is 360 knots (over 410 mph) only some 30 knots slower than the 328Jet RJ. As stated earlier, aisle headroom is 6'5" - more than the CRJ. And with the Noise and Vibration Suppression system, together with the six bladed slower turning props, the interior sound levels are almost equal to the CRJ's. Cruise altitude is up to 27,000 feet.


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

I fly a Saab 2000 for a living. When the pax board sometimes I stand and greet them and I am tired of the cynical comments about props and puddlejumpers and low-tech and slow and blah, blah, blah....

Most prop flights are short (very few are more than 90 minutes and most of ours are about 50-60 minutes) and frankly, a so-called "regional jet" would only be 2-3 minutes faster over those segments. I once dead-headed on an Avro in the cockpit for one of the segments we would normally fly and it was, if anything, slower than the Saab 2000. The speeds I saw indicated were not 1 knot faster than we fly.

Now, admittedly, the Saab 2000 is not the same as the 340. We are much faster. But the fact is that on short segments the few knots difference does not change the block to block time very much.

Our cabin is more spacious than an Embraer 145.

There are 3 places where I see an advantage for a small jet:

1. No vibrations. Even though the Saab has a low vibration level for a prop plane it is still more than a jet. As a pilot, it creates a higher level of fatigue.

2. Over longer segments they are faster, though not as much as some people think, since a large portion of the block-block time is spent rolling on the ground. The actual time in the air is not as different as most people think, especially on short flights.

3. But the real advantage is that they can fly higher. Our Saab is certified to FL310 and we used to fly that high but now with RVSM in place in Europe our company did not certify us for that and we are limited to FL280. This is not bad at all except that occasionally we are a bit closer to the "weather". The Embraers in our fleet can fly to FL370 and this 9000 extra feet does get them above more clouds.

Other than these three things I find no real advantage of a jet over a prop. And we have some real advantages, like the ability to operate in and out of some fields the jets can only dream about...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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25 ARGinMIA : No idea if my noise canceling headphones will work or not on a turboprop?
26 IndustrialPate : There's a reason they're called "torture props."
27 Cchan : What's wrong with a Jetstream 31 / 41? I quite like them.
28 Saab2000 : ARGinMIA, Yes, your noise-cancelling headset will work. Why wouldn't it? I have a Sennheiser active-noise-cancelling headset I use and it works quite
29 Sevenair : I flew SYY-EDI last month on S340 by Loganair, and the takeoff was just as excitingly fast as a 732, just the noise was really loud!! I loved it
30 NoUFO : If the active noise-reduction of your headset is specialized for use on jets, it will not work as fine on a prop because noises differ from those you
31 KingGeo3 : One of the best flights that I have ever flown on was a United Express J41 PIT-IAD. It was the smoothest flight I have ever been on and the take off p
32 MD11Lover : Hi Guys! I just joined Anet since i ve been reading your messages and i really like the discussions that go on here, and now, would like to take part
33 777MAS : I've heard that everyone on board gets sick all the time, but was wondering how true is that. One of the last times I flew, I had a choice of booking
34 CanadianNorth : Ill take a turboprop over an RJ any day. I fly on the Dash-8 ussually 2 or 3 times a year and i love it, only when yer my height for the love of god m
35 Milesrich : I never flew in a Britannia, or Canadair CL-44, or Vanguard, but the Electra was one heck of a comfortable airplane to fly in. Quiet fast, SNA-SFO in
36 Mr_planeman : I have been very fortunate and had the opportunity to sit in the cockpit on both the Dash 8-100 and the CRJ-700. The comfort in the cabin of those two
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