Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5032 times:
Passengers will also be reimbursed when they face a delay through cancellation of at least five hours. They will receive hotel accommodation when cancellation forces them to stay overnight, and meals and refreshments for shorter delays..
The rules will apply to all passengers flying from EU airports or into the EU on EU carriers.
Loyola de Palacio, the EU transport commissioner, said: "Too many times, air passengers are victims of practices which deserve that they receive a fair treatment and proper compensation: today's agreement paves the way for completing and strengthening the existing rights."
Is probably of more significance as LCCs don't overbook generally and 'traditional' airlines tend to give compensation for it already.
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5008 times:
Yes indeed our B736 flight to FRA from CPH was fully booked and those willing to go on later flights were given EUR300. Too bad I didn't have time to spare or I'd have an extra EUR300 to spend in Germany
Rickb From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5005 times:
I got offered money by SAS many times to take later flights because of overbooking. Usually $200 or $300 in cash.
One of the few times I took them up on the offer was a good day - I was booked on a flight from Oslo to Manchester via CPH - I got offered money to take a later flight via LHR which I accepted, I got offered money again whilst boarding the LHR flight to wait for a later flight which I accepted and I eventually got a seat on the direct flight to MAN - which meant I ended up arriving in Manchester about 30 minutes later than my originally booked flight !! $400 for a 30 minute delay !!
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4747 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
Overbooking is actually caused indirectly by the passengers. Airlines over book flights in order to compensate for the passengers that do NOT show up for the flight that they booked for. Once that flight departs with the empty seat, that revenue is forever lost for the airline, yet all the costs associated with the seat are still nailed to the airline. Maybe the airlines should be able to fine the passenger that doesn't show up.
Overbooking as a general rule works out fine 99.9% of the time. Seldom are people that needed to be on the flight bumped, usually there are people fighting over each other trying to get the free hotel, flight the next day along with their $300-1000 flight coupons... , and the guy who really needs to get where he is going more or less always gets his seat as planned
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4938 times:
Passenger that fet offered a refund for not showing up are those with expensive tickets and have paid for the privilege to not show up. No blame to the passengers here. Passengers that do not show up, with a cheap ticket, will not get a refund, so that revenue is definitely not lost and finnaly some passengers travel with tickets that allow them to not show up or cancel just before the flight leaves in exchange for a small penalty, ussualy around 150€.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4894 times:
Predicting no-shows has become pretty refined over the years, but its not an exact science - it is usually based on historical data and experience in a given market - for instance on flights from India, the noshow rate for some classes is historically 50-60%, and airlines take this into considerations when determining availablity for a given class/date/route. But they get it wrong sometimes, and already most normal airlines offer compensation for denied-boarding. Now the EU has standardised the process, fair enough - lets hope it will give the likes of FR some incentive to improve customer service. Trouble is of course that it doesn't apply to delays/cancellations due to strikes or technical problems - so guess what, every delay and cancellation will suddenly be due to the weather or the plane going tech, even if the airline decide to cancel the flight because only 20 passengers are booked - the lying weasels !
Leviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4839 times:
Can anyone explain why a passenger who paid for the ticked and did not show up would have to fine for it ? I agree with "Bobrayner", I don't think it costs more to fly a plane with an empty seat than with someone sitting there !
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
The issue of no-shows and overbooking actually originated in the days when most tickets could be purchased at any time (i.e., no advance or instant purchase rules), and the airlines had no way of knowing if a reservation actually had a ticket issued against it. So 40 people would call and book a seat on ABC airline from point A to point B, 15 of those would go to their agency or ATO and pay for their ticket in advance, 10 would pay for it at the airport on the day of departure, and the remaining 15 just wouldn't ever pay or show up or bother to cancel their res. As mentioned above, in some markets (heavy leisure and heavy business routes particularly), the numbers that no-showed could be significant. So, to compensate for those that booked and never purchased/never flew, overbooking became the norm.
As the sophistication of reservation systems increased, along with the prevelance of advance purchase requirements, the ability to cancel reservations that had been booked but never ticketed greatly diminished the amount of actual (or potential) revenue lost. However, sophisticated yeild managment systems at many airlines now allowed carriers to attempt to try and maximize revenue. Basically the airlines started gambling on the number of folks who would buy a ticket, and still not show up, so they could sell the seat again - basically double dipping on the same seat. The airlines still claimed that it was to protect themselves from no-shows, and to an extent it was, but the airline's revenue models actually counted on that revenue from the ticketed no-shows.
People began to realize what was up, and thus the drive for protection from being 'bumped' was born.
Of course this is a gross generalization across the whole industry, and many carriers don't overbook at all anymore, but it's still a pretty good overview of the concepts and history behind the problem.
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