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SIA Unveils New Executive Economy Class!Impressing  
User currently offlineIloveek From Netherlands, joined May 2002, 107 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4845 times:

Just found an interesting article on www.airlinequality.com about SIA's 345..A summary:

-SQ 345 will be introduced february 2004 on the SIN-LAX route and this will be actually the longest offered non-stop commercial service in the world(SIN-LAX will take 16 hours and LAX-SIN will take 18.5 hours)
-In July 2004 SIN-NYC the next route operated by SQ 345, will begin.
-Especially to ensure comfort and service on this flight, the 345 will feature just 181 seats, in a two class configuration(raffles class and the new executive economy class)

-About the new Executive Economy Class:
1. a 2-3-2 configuration offering 117 seats
2. seat pitch is 37", seat-back incline 8", seat width 20",a leather adjustable headrest, an innovative leg rest and foot rest, and a 9" personal video monitor for in-flight entertainment.

-About the Raffles Class:
1. a 2-2-2 configuration offering 64 seats
2. seats will be ofcourse the new SpaceBeds

-Another features:
1. passenger corners in both Raffles and E-E class.
2. Executive Economy Class will offer an area where customers can help themselves to an array of snacks and drinks.
3. latest AVOD Matsushita system

Really looks SIA is to set again a new standard in the world of civil aviation!

pictures and complete text on:
http://www.airlinequality.com/Product/SIA-Ex-Y.htm








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User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4783 times:

Does this mean that their flights 11 and 12 will be no more? No more LAX-NRT-Singapore or is this just an addition that's gonna be great? Just wondering...


Save the whales...for dinner!!!
User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4751 times:

Great Discussion Here:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1226231

LAX-NRT-SIN and LAX-TPE-SIN will be continued.

-alexchao


User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4619 times:

I think several airlines offer a class between economy and business. However, the only one that comes to mind is EVA's Evergreen Deluxe.

It is nice to see another carrier add this class. I have found that any extra room on a trans Pacific flight is great!

Wonder what the array of snacks are? I have not seen that in my travels.



"What we've got here, is failure to communicate." from Cool Hand Luke
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4604 times:

The econmy product looks exactly like the economy plus product I saw on SAS 340-300 CPH-NAR. So much for `new`. Is it also the same Recaro seat ?

The fact that there is no cattle class left is new.(but probably neccesary, you can´t expect anybody to sit in a cramped seat for 16-17 hours..DVT etc..)


User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Keesje,

This might sold as a new product, but I think there is an operational must.

less pax = less weight = less fuel consumption = greater range with same fuel


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

Virgin and BA already offer an Economy Plus cabin - but as 744 rules mentions - perhaps operational limits may be an important factor here.

User currently offlineIloveek From Netherlands, joined May 2002, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Ofcourse there are much airlines which provides Economy Extra or whatever..United, SAS, BA, VS, Eva air etc..but SIA is the first to operate only E-E and C-class, with no Y class. Just 181 seats in a 345 must be quite spacious and ofcourse that's necessary for such long flights

User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 942 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

The reason for SIA to configure A345 that way is that A345 does not have the range to fly such route with traditional setup.

This product was introduced due to design of aircraft not so called advance in product offering by SIA.


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

The reason for SIA to configure A345 that way is that A345 does not have the range to fly such route with traditional setup.

This product was introduced due to design of aircraft not so called advance in product offering by SIA.


Do you think anyone would fly 18 hours in a standard Y seat?


User currently offline777MAS From Malaysia, joined Sep 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Do you think anyone would fly 18 hours in a standard Y seat?

I would, if it was much cheaper than the Executive Economy fare! All the better if it's a 777, with IFE, and top-rated cabin service like MH, CX, SQ.....

SQ's concept is nothing new, after all, VS had their Premium Economy. What's new about it, though, is that there's more space sideways in addition to legroom. But then, come to think of it, that may not be a new idea altogether - I recently read somewhere on the Forum where someone said in the early 70s, when fuel was much cheaper, some L1011s had 2-4-2 seating instead of 2-5-2.

Looks like SQ is targetting the upper end of the market as usual, and this time, it's the upper segment of Economy Class. But they'll have to charge a whole lot more than usual for obvious reasons.

It'll be 2 firsts for them - first Airbus with 2-3-2, and 1st non-stop from Southeast Asia to the West Coast. That'll give them a lot of publicity capital. in that sense, they'll be setting a new standard, but not everyone should follow suit: remember, it's about which segment of the market you're targetting.

That also makes me wonder: could the Exec. Econ. Class end up attracting those who would otherwise have gone for Business Class?


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Do you think anyone would fly 18 hours in a standard Y seat?


Yeah. For a cheap fare, folks would travel standing up in the lavatory if they had to. They would of course complain about the lack of PTVs, smiling FAs, etc etc etc. But they'd fly all the same.


User currently offlineStarG From Indonesia, joined Mar 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

It is interesting to note the info on SQ website, that the seat width of Raffles Class SpaceBed and Executive Economy Seat is the same at 20".

StarG


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

As far as I'm concerned, the seat width of the SPACEBED is actually 22" because it is 22" (0.5" wider than Hong Kong's de facto flag carrier's New Business Class)


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineStarG From Indonesia, joined Mar 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Would it be possible that the SpaceBeds on A345 is longer but narrower?
After all, the configuration on the A345 is 2-2-2 as with the B772ER, while the cabin of the B772ER is much wider.

StarG


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Could be, I've given The Airline feedback for my enquiry and the Customer Relations department will revert to me. It shouldn't be narrower as when it's a bed it's 27" wide anyway like on the MEGATOP and JUBILEE ER


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
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