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CO "near" Agreement With Boeing On 757-300s  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 12009 posts, RR: 54
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

CO will take delivery of 5 more 757-300s (soon), and the remaining order of 6 will be converted to 737-800 orders.

CO has 4 757-300s, so 9 757-300s with 6 more 737-800 added to the current back log of CO 737-800 orders which probably is in the 35-40 airframes neighborhood.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/031016/airlines_continental_outlook_3.html




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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3750 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

A wise decision on the part of CO as the 753s will come in handy with the extra capacity on the key IAH-Flordia/California, EWR-Flordia/Vegas/California routes.

Do COs B 753s fly IAH-HNL nonstop or via some other city?

The B 738s will be useful for extra long range transcontinental flights as well as being able to use during the daily rush hour on the key EWR-BOS/IAD/BWI/PHL/ORD routes early in the morning and in the evenings.

Its also wiser to replace B 753s by B 738 orders as if there is a fall in demand, the 738 can easily fill sometimes for a route operated by B 752 or 753 as it has the range and sizeable capacity to if demand levels fall sharply.

User currently offlineWgw2707 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Those CO 757-300s are going to have a short service life I'll bet, but when CO parks them and puts them up for sale, they are going to go fast. The 753's operating economics are fantastic and any charter airline or LCC would jump at the chance to buy 9 757-300s.

-WGW2707

User currently onlineCALMSP From United States, joined Aug 2003, 3212 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2311 times:
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we dont fly 800s b/t EWR & IAD/BWI/PHL/ORD
Only RJ's to IAD/BWI/PHL,
All the ORD flts are 735's which just go back and forth b/t EWR & ORD/MDW/ATL/DFW since they arrive in concourse A.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

I'm kind of surprised they weren't converted to 737-900s instead which would even be closer. Doesn't the 737-900 have the same operating costs as the 800 but the extra seats make it more profitable?

If Continental were to sell their remaining 4 753s, or the other 5, I would say Northwest maybe would gobble them up quick, but then I forgot NW uses different engines on theirs, but maybe they would sell them to Delta to put on Song's more dense routes like JFK-MCO or JFK-FLL during winter months.

User currently offlineTi717 From United States, joined Jul 2000, 226 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Here is the End.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/031016/boeing_757_1.html


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User currently offlineQuerosene From United States, joined Oct 2001, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

The 753's operating economics are fantastic and any charter airline or LCC would jump at the chance to buy 9 757-300s

I wonder....if the 757-300s have fantastic economics, why would CO want to get them off their fleet?

Whats wrong with them that, by having superb economics, airlines are simply not interested?

Querosene

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 12009 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Who said anything about CO selling their 757-300s, they are perfectly compatible with their current 757-200 fleet. CO ordered the 757-300 to compete against low cost carriers like Jet Blue on NYC-Florida, NYC-Las Vegas routes because of it's very low CASMs.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Do COs B 753s fly IAH-HNL nonstop or via some other city?

how about not at all?  Big grin

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Hmm... CO is "near" an agreement on the same day that Boeing decides to end the 757 production line. Coincidence? I think not.

User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States, joined Aug 2005, 5422 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

This decision should mean that some seasonal 753 destinations (FLL, MSY, DEN, LAS) could/should see year-round daily 753 service, as the demand to these cities is pretty much constant year-round.


Steve in MSY


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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States, joined May 2002, 3041 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
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This is a little off topic..

But when I flew on Continental's 757-300s, I found that on both aircraft, the cabins were very dry- the flight crew continually had to pass through with glasses of water so people wouldnt have trouble swallowing. The two airplanes were #2 and #3 in the 757-300 fleet.

Is this a flaw of the 757-300?

JBLU


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User currently offlinePilot727aa From United States, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

How many 753s does NW have in service?? Sorry a little off topic
-Brady

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States, joined Jan 2001, 3408 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

To Pilot727aa...
Northwest ordered 16 753s, 15 delivered & 1 on backlog. A sidenote...NW has 56 752s, none on order. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineGigneil From United States, joined Nov 2002, 13883 posts, RR: 88
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

I wouldn't expect them to get snapped up by other operators, unless ATA experiences some kind of ridiculous growth.

N

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

That's good to hear. I heard from that CO was giving their 757-300s back for 737-900s. I heard they were displeased with them. I am glad that that rumor is unfounded.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Northwest ordered 16 753s, 15 delivered & 1 on backlog. A sidenote...NW has 56 752s, none on order. Regards.

Actually, NW converted 20 B752 into B753 - then converted 4 B753 into B752  Smile. NW hasn't ordered a B752 since the late 1980s - the order was continually deferred.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States, joined Nov 2002, 13883 posts, RR: 88
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

That's good to hear. I heard from that CO was giving their 757-300s back for 737-900s.

There's been no mention of this... only 753s for 738.

N

User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

WIth today's news, I'd say this may not come to pass.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1083 times:

soory Gigneil, I meant 737-800s. Wrong Keystroke.

User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 913 times:

CO also has both a 753 and a 739 flying BWI-CLE-LAS / LAS-CLE-BWI. Most of the BWI-CLE traffic is business traffic and most of the CLE-LAS traffic is leisure traffic. So, densities seem the same for each segment even though few seem to actually fly BWI-LAS.



User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 6115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 846 times:
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I don't see such a small fleet lasting long at CO,thought they may be around for a while due to lack of interest.Condor/Thomas Cook tried to dispose of the entire 753 fleet,however they had no interest,so the 752 fleet will be diposed of.

Just a note,whilst in ORD on wednesday a CO 739 showed up,my first one!

Rgds

Mark


Flown:111,737-2,3,4,5,7,8,BBJ,741,742,743,744,752,762,763,764,772,773,L15,D10,30,40,AB3,AB6,A312.313,319,320,321,332,333
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 12009 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 797 times:

"I don't see such a small fleet lasting long at CO"

How's that?

CO has a fleet of 40 (or so) 757-200s, the order for 757-300s was for 15. Of the order of 15 757-300s they will eventually take delivery of 9.

The 757-200 and 757-300 CO has both use RR engines, combined they will have a fleet of close to (or over) 50 757s.

That's not a small fleet!

The 757-200s and 757-300s CO operates are virtually the same aircraft, the 757-200 and 757-300 will be in CO's fleet for a long time.



"'Brown Sugar' could save the world..." Eddie Vedder 10/14/97 Oakland, California
User currently offlineMotech722 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 190 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 725 times:

I agree with STT757, the -300 complements the -200 and will most probably remain in the fleet for a good number of years down the road. Just because CO will only have 9 of the -300 does not make it obsolete in the fleet, there are always niche routes that can make it work.

It was a good move by Bethune to change his order if the forecasts at CO see more of a market for smaller aircraft (B737-800). I believe someone asked why CO didn't option the B737-900 instead of the -800? The B753 holds about 243 people, the B739 holds 177, and the B738 only holds 162 (all according to http://www.boeing.com in 2-class layout). The B738 fits in nicely to CO's fleet as they already operate 67 whereas the B739 is bu a small portion of the NG fleet in CO (http://www.aviation-industry.com/atem/newpages/current_afmpdfs/AF261280m.pdf)

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States, joined Jan 2002, 4834 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 515 times:

If Boeing made RJ's, I'm sure Gordo would've converted those 753's into them.

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