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Virgin Strange 744 Windows?  
User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

I have never flown on Virgin but I have a question on their windows on the 744's. If you look toward the rear windows above the registration you can see that two are blanked out. Why? What is the configuration inside that calls for these two windows to be blanked? Also there is one strange blanked out window between doors 1 and 2. I have seen the same arrangement on a SAA aircraft, has this aircraft also flown for SAA?


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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7379 times:

Not sure, but couldn't it be a bathroom??

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

I was unlucky enough to get one of these blanked out windows when i flew from Los Angeles on July 31st. I don't have a clue what they're for

-Stephen


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

If not for bathrooms, they are for electrical wiring or air ducts.

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6935 times:

I wouldn't say they are for air ducts or wiring, the air ducts are run between doors 2 & 3. I think that maybe they are bathrooms, but why not be put at the very back like other airlines? Hmmm?


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6881 times:

They are NOT bathrooms. Like i said before, i sat at one of those seats and had no window.

-Stephen


User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6784 times:

It's where they put the ugliest passengers to protect the ground crew of Virgin Atlantic Airlines - 49% owned by Singapore Airlines Limited.



[Edited 2003-10-17 22:03:32]

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6725 times:





LOL....good one Smile



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6598 times:
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I didn't notice this until i opened this thread, the only reason i can think of blanking these windows out is to accomodate X number of rows of seats on this plane. It can't be for routing air conditioning ducts as the AC wiring and ducting is routed further up the fuselage on a 744.



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User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Here you can find the seatmap for Virgin Atlantic: http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/our_story_our_fleet.view.do
As you can see, there are just seats next to those blanked out windows


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

Milemaster

Love the pic!!! LMAO!!!




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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

Could it have to do with the way the plane begins to curve near the back? Stephen, did you have a little space between the seat and wall or no?

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

"Could it have to do with the way the plane begins to curve near the back? Stephen, did you have a little space between the seat and wall or no?"

No I don't think so, because every other B744 operator that I know of does not have these windows deleted, (except maybe SAA). Very puzzling!



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User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

SQ have quite a number of windows deleted at difference sections of their B744s. One was behind Door 3L in Seat 39A on 9V-SMT, which was a terrible flight because the no window next to me and wasn't easy to stare out of the window through the emergency door. Last time I flew 9V-SPF in 39K (N.B Their 744s have slightly different configurations) and one window was missing.

Best Regards


User currently offlineTriple Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

Malaysia Airlines also features the same window deletion.

Here's an example

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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5478 times:

I sat in 32K, the middle bit where i kinda goes no window, window, NO WINDOW, window, no window. Very annoying!

-Stephen


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

The 747 in this picture is of G-VGAL - one of the five Gatwick based 747-400's, and from the original cancelled Alitalia order (others being G-VROM, G-VROY, G-VROS and G-VLIP).

Could it be that these blanked windows stem from the original Alitalia spec?

The LHR based VS 747's don't have this blanked windows:

G-VHOT:

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Rich.


User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Not sure how or why this happened on G-VGAL. In row 32, a/c ducts are to blame (sorry if you've sat there!).

VSM



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User currently offlineTriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 461 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

What are the exact seats that have the blanked out windows? I'll be flying to LHR with VS and don't want to sit there.

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Richard28,

I was in G-VWOW and i'm pretty sure it had it. It's not just G-VGAL it's every aircraft in the fleet and most likely every aircraft in the world. Just look at a British Airways B777. Nearly half the business class windows are gone.

-Stephen


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Maybe you should post this thread in the technical/operations forum. The technicians would probably know why airlines blank out windows on their aircraft.

Regards A388


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1924 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

I'm no 747 expert, but wouldn't it have something to do the the F/A crew rest above?


This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10583 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

All airliners, not only 747s have differing window patterns with 1 or more windows plugged mostly depending on the seat-, toilet- or galley-configuration.
But that in the case of Virgins 744s an a/c duct distracts the view (only on the right side) is pretty odd and has nothing to do with the 747 as an aircraft type itself.
Most Jumbos don´t have a plug there and a more practical solution is factory standard. The only real "missing windows" you´ll find on all 747s (SP is a bit different though) are the ones in front of door no.3 on top of the wingbox because of stability reasons.


User currently offlineVs744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

I can confirm that ever 744 I have flown on with VS has this. thats G-VROM, G-VLIP, G-VROS, G-VHOT, Ruby Tuesday and Lady Penelope.

I asked this question a while ago about the A340-600 having the same thing in row 19. I got the seat once, and was very disapointed!! There is just a blanked panel next to the seat. The conclusion that someone came up with was that this was a fusilage joint.

Another theory was that it was there in case an engine blade snapped off...and the third response was the air con duct.

I havent heard a confirmed answer yet...other than I know for a fact its not a galley, toilet or rest area access...


User currently offlineN2position From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Those windows are blanked out for air-conditioning ducts that run up to the Dr 5 Overhead Crew Rest. If the customer uses this option. They will only appear on the R/H side of the fuselage.

25 AV8AJET : Thanks N2position that makes sense!
26 Windshear : What about drag related issues? There has been talks about next generation of jets with no windows, maybe this is one strange way to decrease drag? Or
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