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User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

If the situation arose where a plane was forced to ditch in water, what would be the best aircraft type to be in? which type would stand the best chance of remaining intact?

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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

The MD11 seems to do pretty well when it crashes.. The CI and FE crashes in the late 90s.. both aircraft's hull was pretty much in tact. 312 of the 315 people on the CI jet survived (we all saw that horrific video) and the crew members on the FedEx jet survived too. As for water.. who could tell?
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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

I guess an advantage is if the plane has no engines on the wings (727, DC9) because when landing on water the engines would touch the water first, ripping the wings off and probably breaking the fuselage. Some of you have maybe seen the tourist's video of that 767 landing on water in the Carribbean a couple of years ago, but I can't remember what airline / when it was.

So my guess is that you're safer on an airplane without engines on the wings, but I have no proof for it. Just sounds logic...



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User currently offlineAzafata From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

I would think any airplane with the engines mounted at the rear (717,dc-9,md-80,ect).Years ago I saw in the news a 767(i think) ditching in the indian ocean and the engines impacted first causing the airplane to break apart,also years ago a dc-9 from ALM airlines ditched in the caribbean and some pax's survived,the airplane didnt break apart.I think not having the engines on the wing gave that airplane a "flat" surface to land on.This is just what I think.....What do I know anyways...

User currently offlineAirman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 975 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Hey there,
Engines on a plane are designed to break off on impact. I think hitting the water at the speed the plane would be going would be sufficient impact. The 767 that you mentioned was of Ethopian Airlines. I think that crashed off the coast of Africa. I wonder if the pilot managed to have the plane level would it have been a successful ditching?? If there is such a thing????

Airman99o



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User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

I believe that the Ethiopian 767 would have been level had the terrorist who hijacked the plane not interfered with the controls at the last second causing the wing to roll into the water first

User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

If you're in the North Atlantic I really don't think it matters. Hypothermia will kill you in a matter of minutes.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Airbus is studying this in depth, along with the AWIATOR. I had a great PDF about it that someone posted here, and now I can't find it to save my life.

Mostly about ditching in water... but I'm sure studies are ongoing about ditching on land with no gear.

N


User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Ditching.... This is an airline subject we can all be in fear of! There has never been a safe ditching i.e. no fatalities..(of a decent sized aircraft falling from the sky)! To be honest, think about it! A mass of metal, full of fuel, plunges to the Earth, at nearly 500 miles an hour! Outcome - not so good! In Flight Attendant training -Ditching- is discussed but taken with a grain of salt. If a plane full of fuel hits the water.. she will not land like a graceful swan. Say goodbye, and have a cocktail on the way!

User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

well, thats reassuring

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Umm Kl777jfk

I think they are refering to ditching in the ocean during an emergency. So i dont think it would be at 500mph more like a Vref speed I suppose...

There were successful ditchings before i believe, IIRC.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

I know that Flying Tigers had a DC-6 successfully ditch, and Pan-Am did it with a B-337, but those where back in the 1950's.


I would suggest though that the safest aircraft to ditch would be one of Chalks Mallards.



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User currently offlineGulfstreamGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 646 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

This Convair did fairly well....  Laugh out loud

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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Something with a low stall speed, large wing area and engines not reaching below the fuselage.

I think that the safest plane to ditch would be a BAe-146 to the due efffect of the top mounted wings on the B-force. In the open sea, I think that any aircraft would be doomed. If it was a BAe 146 in the same situation as the Ethiopian 767 (near an island in somewhat shallow waters) I think there would have been fewer fatalities.

Just my opinion. I would think something like the concorde wouldn't be too bad either due to the shape of the engines and the delta wing. Should we try it? At mach 2 and 60,000 ft....just drop the noise and accelerate down to the sea level then pull up. I wonder what speeds it would reach? Probably break apart b4 touching water.

Anyway, just my opinion.

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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3060 times:
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The Ethiopian 767 crashed like it did because one of the hijackers was at the controls. It took great courage and strength for one of the pilots to regain control so that some of them even had a chance to survive. If the pilot had more time, the aircraft would have hit the water more level and not the way it did.

A high wing aircraft would most likely fill up with water to the wings quite quickly. I know of a C-130 that ditched and it filled up with water really quickly and only the wings and top of the fuselage were slightly above water level. Some of the crew survived only because of the escape hatches on the top of the fuselage.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2890 times:


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User currently offlineYqfca From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

The only jet that successfully ditched in the ocean without breaking up was a DC9.


User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Of course a BAe-146 would have fewer fatalities than a 767! It holds less passengers.  Big grin

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Would someone post a link to the video of the Ethiopian plane? I know I've seen it somewhere. It would be very much appreciated. Big thumbs up

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2654 times:

Yeah, I think it was the DC9 (or maybe Fokker 100) that tried to land at SXM, but couldn't, diverted, and eventually ran out of fuel and ditched.

The pilot was at fault for allowing the a/c to run out of fuel anyway, but his ditching was faultless. I think the only reason why there were any fatalities is because a)the crew were so calm the passengers didn't realize the seriousness of the situation and weren't all in their seats when the aircraft hit the water and b)one of the life rafts inflated in the aircraft blocking quite a few peoples exits...


User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2643 times:

And a link to the video of the CI-crash, if possible.

Grtnz, Doug


User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

http://66.238.42.216/scenelib/list.asp?input=CRASH+BANG&offset=10

The Ethiopian one is on this page along with a few others

http://streaming.scmp.com/aircrash/CAL_Plane_crash1f.avi

Thats The CI MD-11


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