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LAX/LAS Service Returns To NWA Effective 12/26  
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

LAX/LAS service returns to NWA effective December 26; flights will initally be operated with DC-9 aircraft but will switch to A319 within a couple weeks. Previous service, operated with A320, ended on 9/10/01 as a result of the events of 9/11. These flights are timed to connect with NW's LAX-NRT flights & virtually all passengers are expected to be Japanese tourists / passengers connecting onto the NRT flight. The general public will likely have a difficult time obtaining cheap tickets on these flights (as most tickets will be sold by various Japanese tour operators for various tour packages which include transportation on various airlines) -- the lowest price exceeds $400 with tax r/t currently.

Effective December 26:
NW661 departs LAS 8:40AM, arrives LAX 9:40AM
NW664 departs LAX 10:40AM, arrives LAS 11:40AM
flights will be operated with DC-9-30 aircraft

Effective January 6:
NW661 departs LAS 8:40AM, arrives LAX 9:40AM
NW664 departs LAX 9:10AM, arrives LAS 10:10AM, continues onto MKE
flights will be operated with A319 aircraft


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Let's get the obvious response out of the way:

"They're going after AirTran, ATA and JetBlue with this route!!!"

(one more time: it will be VERY difficult to obtain a modestly-priced ticket for this route unless you're traveling to/from Asia...)



User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

Why are they going after FL?

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7869 times:

Ever hear of sarcasm?  Smile

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7865 times:

Don't worry, its a joke, cuz everytime one of the network carriers decides to launch a new route, the LCC fans shout predatory pricing, etc and say its a direct attack against the LCC's. How dare an airline attempt to compete....blah, blah, blah...its a sarcastic remark because too many people on this website take too many things out of context.

My personal favorite being how people are so against United auctioning off circa-1970's ground equipment, vans with 100,000 miles, and DC-10 mx equipment. Its a frickin' auction! Not a move in desparation to raise cash.


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7793 times:

I wonder why they decided to put in their own flights....they've had a codeshare with America West on those routes for a few years now. But our flights on those routes are full enough with our own passengers!

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

I didn't read the end of the message,sorry. plus B6 flies LA-LAS

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7773 times:
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so what is the routing of the airplane? since they dont fly any DC-9's outof LA to the hubs or MKE?


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User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

The route in 2001, pre - 9/11 was flown by a mix of A320 and 757-200 aircraft.


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If I recall correctly the flight came about at the time the 747-200 nonstop Las Vegas - Tokyo/Narita was discontinued!

Northwest is looking to compete with no other airline on this market, for NW's purposes this is like a Narita Connection Shuttle. This flight serves one purpose only - to connect to/from Tokyo/Narita!

Northwest is not looking for the $30. One Way, flip flop, and free coupon crowd on these flights!

The unfortunate thing is that the route doesnt support the actual 747-200 utilized on the LAX-NRT route!

Do any of you know if it is true the LAX-NRT will be reverting to a 747-400?
If so, that is excellent news!





User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

so what is the routing of the airplane? since they dont fly any DC-9's outof LA to the hubs or MKE?
It'll be a single DC-9 exclusivlely operating the flights for a couple weeks ... it'll be parked at LAS for almost 20-hours daily! The 319's being rotated from MKE.

Do any of you know if it is true the LAX-NRT will be reverting to a 747-400?
LAX-NRT is already a B744. The B742 are being phased out.

But our flights on those routes are full enough with our own passengers!
NW pays HP a flat rate per passenger... from what I know, it's a lucrative deal for HP -- thus NW's decided to develope the route themselves to save $$$.


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7732 times:

Ahh...I see! In the whole time I worked in PHX, where we had and still have a dedicated check-in line for the NW codeshare flights....I saw very few people for it. It was a nightmare for FF miles...people saw that NW was one of our partners and they assume they can get Worldperk miles on any flight. It's only allowed on certain flights...I had my fair share of merry-go-rounds with people concerning this. Oye!

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

Many (most?) PHX-based NW travelers prefer to purchase separate PHX-LAX/SFO/SEA and traspacific tickets, as it's usually significantly cheaper. The AS codeshares from PHX/AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS to SEA are usually significantly cheaper than the HP codeshares... I wonder if NW/HP will split in the near future, as their partnership is meaningless today anyway. Not to mention NW tried to kill HP last spring with ultra-cheap fares ex-PHX after HP turned into a so-called LCC  Smile.

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7689 times:

That's true IP, I've seen many people with separate tickets so it is pretty meaningless and I wouldn't be upset to see it go.

Everybody lowered their fares out of PHX when HP did....I wouldn't call us a LCC either.....maybe Lower Cost Carrier...hehe. We're hovering on the edge though, that's for sure.


User currently offlineAA777MIA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7594 times:

AA flys LAX to LAS too...

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

AA flys LAX to LAS too...

As does UA and WN  Smile.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

How long did NWA operate NRT-LAS?

Did they give any reason as to why it was discontinued? I'm assuming due to low yields even if loads were extremely high (which I'm sure they were).

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

What a great benefit to those of us on the East coast!  Wink/being sarcastic


"Life is short, but your delay in ATL is not."
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

LAS-NRT was inaugurated twice-weekly at the same time ORD-NRT was cancelled in mid-1998. The flight appeared to be a success, going thrice-weekly within months… but many factors – such as the declining Asian/Japanese economy, lack of cargo (which had to be trucked in from Los Angeles) and low yields caused NW to cancel the flight in 2000. The airline instead extended the LAX-NRT service to LAS, operating the domestic segment with a mixture of B757 and A320. NW insisted the new service was better as it gave Japanese passengers daily LAS service, while repositioning the LAS-NRT slots for a MSP-NRT flight which had opportunity for greater yield (note that it was mentioned from the beginning that DTW would receive the second MSP frequency once the WorldGateway opened). NW operated LAS-LAX via 9/10/01, when it was cancelled as a result of the events of 9-11. Note that the flight was almost exclusively designed for Japanese/Asia-bound passengers – NW rarely – if ever – published modestly priced fares.

[Edited 2003-10-19 06:00:22]

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

Interesting, thanks for that.

While it's true that there is lots of demand for Asia - Las Vegas flights, it's all low-yield traffic.

Even Singapore Air tried and they couldn't succeed. I heard loads were very good, but yields weren't.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7396 times:

NW rarely – if ever – published modestly priced fares

Au contraire. I recall NW always having the lowest published fare of the big-6 in the LAS-LAX market, although availablity in the bottomfeeder buckets was rarely available.


User currently offlineAviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

Previous service, operated with A320, ended on 9/10/01 as a result of the events of 9/11

What??? Why did they end service early?? Confused

Sarcasm Industrial Patent...  Wink/being sarcastic

Seriously though, it is nice to see some routes slowly coming back.

~TJ

[Edited 2003-10-19 08:30:21]

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

I recall NW always having the lowest published fare of the big-6 in the LAS-LAX market, although availablity in the bottomfeeder buckets was rarely available.

That could be -- in those days I cheked prices via NWA.com, Expedia, etc. -- I didn't know about researching fares, bucket availability, routings, etc. Besides, the times always sucked anyway  Smile.


User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

In reference to Las Vegas to Tokyo/Narita.

- Japan Airlines commenced 747-300/747-400 service while Northwest Airlines was still flying the route. The inbound Japan Airlines was non-stop and the outbound stopped in Los Angeles. (This flight still operates today and is very successful)

In reference to Las Vegas to Asia demand.

- ANA runs charters on a 747-400 to Osaka from time to time

- Korean Airlines rumored new service in the 1990's

- Philippine Airlines is inaugurating A340 service to Manila via Vancouver in 2004!

- Singapore Airlines operated 777-200 service nonstop to Hong Kong in 2002-2003! This flight had two major issues! 1/The timing of the flight - certain days of the week this flight would leave at 730am! 2/The Raffles Class cabin was always full, with Economy near empty!

So, In closing we can say for sure Las Vegas has higher Asia demand than most US gateways!


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7064 times:

Will you ever SQ returns to LAS again? I might to think about it of those flight is doing quite well. You still has to another chance for SQ back to LAS again?

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

I thought the outbound 744 or 743 flight stopped in SFO. It was on the JL routemap

25 Post contains images IndustrialPate : NW has now published a ~$100 r/t inclusive fare, although availability is virtually non-existant. But this new service proves those who insisted that
26 Kl777jfk : IndustrialPate- Okay, let me review a few things with you! Japan Air Lines wants to pull out of Las Vegas? Does JAL know this? Does JTB know about thi
27 B747-437B : The rights for the route are still there. Considering that Singapore and the USA have open skies, you can make an equally valid statement that they ho
28 IndustrialPate : Kl777jfk, I learned earlier it's hard to have a constructive argument with you (did I say demand to LAS wasn't there - especially from places like Can
29 ATA L1011 : Will be interesting to see a NW 9 at LAX, has Northwest ever operated the 9 out of LA/LV or any point in the far west?
30 Kohflot : Ok.. a little confused here, but it's early.... NW operated LAS-LAX via 9/10/01, when it was cancelled as a result of the events of 9-11. How could a
31 IndustrialPate : How could a route cancelled on 9/10 be a result of something that happened on 9/11? Because all flights were grounded before the flight was scheduled
32 Kl777jfk : IndustrialPate, Before you open another one of your whimpering, childish messages ... Please, get your facts straight! First, Newspapers are like tabl
33 Kl777jfk : IndustrialPate, Before you open another one of your messages ... Please, get the facts straight! In regards to JAL, please watch what you say. Do you
34 Worldperks : KL777 You're saying don't write anything? But what about free speech? Or don't you believe in it, except for yourself? That's quite a difference from
35 AZO : I always thought Industrial Patent had some pretty decent resources and information from more than just "inside NWA," but I guess Kl777 knows somethin
36 Post contains images B747-437B : I'm really beginning to wonder which person here needs to "insure" (sic) that their facts are straight. IP has been here (and at Flyertalk) for months
37 RayChuang : Folks, I think the NW LAX-LAS flight is aimed at a very niche market: Japanese passengers flying the NRT-LAX route continuing on to LAS. For us Americ
38 Kl777jfk : Las Vegas - Los Angeles Market *Aloha Airlines (SNA/BUR) by 737-700 *American Airlines (LAX) by MD-80 *America West Airlines (LAX/SNA/ONT) by 737-200,
39 ETA Unknown : "Au contraire. I recall NW always having the lowest published fare of the big-6 in the LAS-LAX market, although availablity in the bottomfeeder bucket
40 Post contains images IndustrialPate : Sorry, Kl777jfk, you're the one who needs to get your facts straight. NW never operated half the routes you listed (e.g. LAX-HKG, BOS-CDG, BOS-MAD, DT
41 MSYtristar : "This is not a competitive route for NWA! This is solely to provide transport for passengers continuing to/from Las Vegas to Tokyo/Narita!" Could it b
42 CALMSP : whydont they fly to SFO or SEA to have pax continue to NRT out of those cities? Why just LAX?
43 AZO : LAX gets a larger aircraft from NRT (744) and is also closer to LAS, though I don't know if that makes a difference. I believe SFO and SEA get the DC-
44 Mlsrar : KL, lets dissect these routes for a moment to see if you can engage in fact before you post. ANC-NRT: Still operated as cargo...no longer needed to fl
45 Triscl : NW DC-9 at LAX...now THAT's a news item!
46 Kl777jfk : IndustrialPate, From the sounds of it..... You never had the oppurtunity to fly Northwest Airlines via the Boston base! You would know that it was the
47 Mlsrar : KL: You never had the oppurtunity to fly Northwest Airlines via the Boston base! And that disputes the relevancy of his post how? You would know that
48 Dtwintlflyer : MLsrar ... what a great posting. Thanks! It just proves there will always be NW bashers out there, who are obviously not very educated on NW. Obviousl
49 AirT85 : Kl777- I am sure the casinos etc will pour *tons* of cash into JAL's precense in LAS. Just like they did with National. -Tony
50 Kl777jfk : National Airlines was a "discount" airline! Who catered to the flip-flop, discount, coupon book types! The kind that ask for an upgrade on a $40. per
51 Mlsrar : KL: Japan Air Lines who is a "foreign", "worldly", "full-service" airline! Who caters to "wealthy, worldly, well-travlled" clientele! The kind that dr
52 Worldperks : Yet they tell us it's we subsistence gamblers who are the backbone of the gambling industry. You know -- the ones who show up like clockwork, year aft
53 Kl777jfk : Has anyone here flown on N7????? They served meals and hot cookies! Yeah, well a LCC is a LCC ! As far as gamblers are concerned.... Worlperks... Ther
54 Post contains images EA CO AS : I think the flight is aimed at a very niche market: Japanese passengers flying the NRT-LAX route continuing on to Vegas. This is definitely the case,
55 Mlsrar : They come in usually by private chartered aircraft that the casinos have provided. or there own private aircraft! In addition, the highest players by.
56 EA CO AS : IndustrialPate knows far more about NWA than you could ever hope to. Actually, he's probably FORGOTTEN more about NWA than Kl777jfk could ever hope to
57 Copaair737 : SFO gets the 744 from JL on flight 1
58 B747-437B : Thanks to moderator KROC for deleting some of the more inaccurate and childish flamebait that Kl777jfk had been posting on this thread. Its a shame wh
59 AZO : OK, so now judging whether or not an airline is good or not is based on how wealthy the people who fly it are? Talk about stuck up. People are going t
60 Jetjack74 : Industrial Pate, I think your posts are always well research and very accurate. I'm an FA for NW and usually get some very interesting leads from your
61 TokyoNarita : Hey everyone. I also want to share what I know. I have worked in the past with an air tour company in the Grand Canyon area, so I am a little familiar
62 AZO : Thank you for sharing TokyoNarita, that definitely dispels some of the stereotypes that have been put out about JAL.
63 IndustrialPate : Kl777jfk, NW never operated the routes you listed that I disputed. They did, however, operate OSA-SYD (not KIX-SYD). I stand behind my postings. Thank
64 NWA Man : IP- Although I've got your back on this, NW did operate BOS-CDG in the early 90's. Regards... N-Dub
65 Post contains images B747-437B : They did, however, operate OSA-SYD To be specific it was ITM-SYD. OSA is the common city code for the Osaka region that includes ITM (Itami) and KIX (
66 Post contains images IndustrialPate : Thanks for the clarifications! - - - Kl777jfk, did you notice that the DC-9 operates for only a couple weeks? Did you notice that JAL still flies DC-1
67 Favre : There is no A/C shortage at NWA---there is 4 757's and 3 A320's parked in long term storage in MZJ...Yet we continue to receive new 753's and 319's..
68 Post contains links and images Kl777jfk : IndustrialPate- View Large View MediumPhoto © Alastair T. Gardiner Northwest Airlines flew the following routes- View Large View MediumPhoto &cop
69 Azjubilee : FYI Mr. know it all - NW never served BOS-MAD and never commenced the planned DTW-MAD slated for this past summer. Can't you just admit that you might
70 Mlsrar : KL: I'm sensing some very general tones in your post about the said routes. Please provide flight numbers, and dates so I can verify it with NWOPS at
71 Kl777jfk : Northwest Airlines- It is nice to see them back on the LAS-LAX market! It would be even better to see them retuen to LAS-NRT! KLM- For a country the s
72 PSU.DTW.SCE : Kl777jfk, You have no understanding of the industry whatsoever. If you could positively contribute to the discussions, fine. However, all you do is fl
73 Mlsrar : KL: What does the history of KLM have to do with this post? It just is indicative of how much you have strayed, haphazardly dispersing fables and myth
74 Post contains images Kl911 : Gentlemen, Just to clarify: KLM will return or commence flying to up to 6 Asian cities of which 3 are in China in the next 2 years. This according to
75 BAGSMASHER : NW has never operated regularly scheduled flights into MAD. Anyone who said they did is on crack, period. NW operated a single daily DC-9-30 DFW-LAX-
76 Aaway : Re: the reply about Stage II restrictions at LAX. AVIACSA (6A) ops twice daily BJX-LAX-BJX with 737-200s.
77 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW DC-9's are Stage III compliant. They were hush-kitted back in the mid-late 90's. Isn't there a DC-9 out flying on the West Coast currently flying N
78 Aaway : NWs still using the 72s for the sports charters. Saw 2 of them at LAX-West Imperial Terminal couple of weeks ago.
79 Favre : Sorry aaway--ALL 727's gone from NWA----maybe flying around in partial colors by new operator..
80 Aaway : Thanks for the correction!!! Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing the 'Northwest' titles.
81 Iluvwestjet : i checked on the northwest website and la to las vegas is $116. not bad.
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