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User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2550 times:

So, another year has passed at JFK and what has been made of it!

This year we saw the ever so hot drama as to if JetBlue will take over the ex-TWA International Termanil. Ah, the thought of that is awful. JetBlue and there ongoing A320 fleet leaving for Syracuse and Rochester from gates that at one time would service Rome and Cairo.... awful, awful!

This year also saw the resumption of a TWA service that is now flown by American Airlines. JFK-Rome. It is wonderful to have seen that this flight is being operated again. From the sounds of it, the loads were outstanding. This I understand was the same situation on the ORD-Rome flight as well! Will we see an aircraft size increase in 2004? A 777??? That would be great!

On to the future..

2004- from what has been stated so far!

Alitalia will go all 777-200 to Milan, and Rome (current MD-11/777 mix)
KLM will inaugurate 777-200 to Amsterdam
Singapore Airlines will inaugurate A340-500 nonstop to Singapore
OrientThai will inaugurate 747-200 to Bangkok via Europe (still in the works?)

Emirates by the way is opening a Sales Office here in New York City. Could this mean that there is a Emirates flight to Dubai from JFK or Newark on the way?

Will American Airlines expand Domestic or International service from JFK?
Will American finally introduce JFK-Barcelona, as hoped in 2003?
Will American offer the 777 in lieu of the 767-300 to Rome?
Will American re-introduce any ex TWA services i.e. Tel Aviv, or Lisbon?
Will Delta Airlines expand Domestic or International service from JFK?
Will Delta Airlines finally bring the 777-200 to JFK?
Will JetBlue expand Domestic service from JFK?
Will Song expand Domestic service from JFK?

Any information would help tons?

Thanks in Advance!

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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Alitalia will go all 777-200 to Milan, and Rome (current MD-11/777 mix)

AZ is currently all 777 at JFK. Well, that's if you don't count the 747 cargo flight.

Michael


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16824 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

The Port Authority and Jetblue have made it clear that the days of air travel from T-5 are over, Jetblue and the Port Authority are in negotiations to build a new terminal. They would raze T-6 and the concourses (gate areas) of T-5, no airline operations would function out of T-5. It would serve as a restaruant, musuem etc and be connected to Jet Blue's new terminal which would be built behind T-5.

T-5 cannot handle todays sceening procedures, nor have adequate check-in or baggage claim.

No more flights from T-5, it's going to be connected to a new Jet Blue terminal where all operations (check-in, baggage claim, screening etc) will take place.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

"Will Delta Airlines finally bring the 777-200 to JFK?"

It's been there...and out again, and in again, and out again....

So the question is well DL ever make up it's mind and get serious about 777 svc. When it comes to the 777...DAL acts like a 3rd world carrier unable to make up it's mind to place what where.

Someone here in DAL's defense say' DAL is simply maximizing the 777 utilization on routes that surge and recline in passenger traffic." Well if I was a biz guy who flew a DAL 777 JFK to CDG or FCO...and two weeks later found myself on a crusty old 767-300...I'd immediately switch to AZ where I knew it was gonna be a roomy and more comfy 777 every time. Business people like consistancy ..they don't like surprises..esp. if they have to be around it from 7-10 hours. Same with BA to LHR or AF to CDG. Sure the may go from a 744 to 777 (BA)or 744 to A340 or 777 (AF)..but that's a sub anyone can live with, but a downgrade to a 767 (as much as I like the plane). Biz people do make comparisons, they do look out the window and 'see what the other guy' is doing or flying on....and they want their want their moneys worth! It's like if you have to pay $20 bucks for a lengthy cab ride and your choices are a beat down falling apart Chevy or nicely kept Benz...even if you go with the Chevy, 'you're gonna be wondering what if....' We're always comparing and when it comes to our money we evaluated more intently! Sorry I got off the thread, but my guess is 1)Yes, 2)yes,3)yes,4)yes,5)yes,6)YES and NO, 7)yes and 8) yes.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16824 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

"October 2, 2003



A New Function for a Landmark of the Jet Age

By DAVID W. DUNLAP


JetBlue Airways is proposing to revive the Trans World Airlines terminal, which closed two years ago along with T.W.A., at Kennedy International Airport.

IN its expressively sculptural forms — roof vaults that embraced travelers like sheltering bird wings, swooping walkways that propelled them to waiting jetliners — Eero Saarinen's Trans World Airlines terminal at Kennedy Airport was meant to be a prelude to flight.

Perhaps America's most lyrical monument to the dawn of the jet age, it has nevertheless been a dead end for two years, its coves and bridges lacking the swirling crowds that brought a vital fourth dimension to the Saarinen landmark.

Now a revival may be at hand for the 41-year-old building, known as Terminal 5, which has been empty since T.W.A. closed operations in October 2001. An aggressive young airline, JetBlue Airways, would like to use the landmark for a small part of its operations. That proposal appears to have broken a longstanding impasse over whether the building would be best preserved as a functioning terminal or as a museum piece.

JetBlue runs 75 to 80 flights a day out of Kennedy and wants to triple that number. It hopes to build a 26-gate terminal behind the Saarinen building. The plan calls for the old and new terminals to be linked by the tubular passenger bridges that were memorably used in the 2002 film "Catch Me if You Can" as the setting of a climactic encounter between Leonardo DiCaprio and Tom Hanks.

Though JetBlue's primary operations would be in the new terminal, it might install electronic check-in kiosks in the Saarinen terminal, meaning that passengers could recreate the experience of moving through that space to their planes, now A320's rather than 707's.

"We would like to be able to embrace the Saarinen building and make it part of the JetBlue image," said Richard Smyth, the vice president of redevelopment for the three-year-old airline. The landmark, he said, could fit into JetBlue's marketing, with its midcentury modernist feel.

However, neither JetBlue nor the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates the airport, believe the Saarinen building, in its entirety, can be transformed into a modern terminal.

WHEN we first got here, we looked at Terminal 5 and said, `Boy, this would be cool if we could use it,' " Mr. Smyth recalled. "But we very quickly realized that it couldn't work."

For instance, he said, there is no room for curbside check-in, no way to move baggage efficiently through the building and no place to put security equipment like bulky explosive-detecting devices. And the gently arched tubular bridges do not meet modern requirements for people with disabilities.

William R. DeCota, director of aviation at the Port Authority, said: "It's going to become more of an airport centerpiece. You can't just make it a restaurant, a museum, a conference center. But you can make it all of these things to some extent."

Ted D. Kleiner, the authority's assistant aviation director, also envisions travelers going to the Saarinen building to while away weather-related or other delays, a trip that will take no more than 10 minutes on the future AirTrain system. The building could also serve the 50,000 people who work at Kennedy, he said.

JetBlue's willingness to consider some passenger use of the building has earned the tentative backing of the Municipal Art Society, which has long insisted that the only meaningful preservation of the landmark lies in restoring it as a fully functioning airline terminal, rather than as a "fly in amber."

"We've made very encouraging progress in speaking with JetBlue and the Port Authority about a solution for a new terminal," said Frank E. Sanchis III, executive director the society, after a meeting on Tuesday. A report of that meeting is due tomorrow at the Federal Aviation Administration.

Robert B. Tierney, the chairman of the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission, said he was "very supportive" of the evolving plan.

And Peg Breen, president of the private New York Landmarks Conservancy, said, "I think we're moving." The conservancy agrees with the Port Authority that the building is better suited for adaptive reuse. "In modern airports," she said, "all you want to do is get through lines and get through security."

Or, as Mr. DeCota said, "Most people are not here for self-actualization."

But his affection for the building and its kinetic energy was obvious during an inspection tour last week, when he stepped behind a sinuously curving information desk. "You can see the women in T.W.A. livery," he said.

"You do get an emotion from this building," Mr. DeCota allowed.

Still breathtakingly luminous, but unnervingly quiet, the Trans World Flight Center looks better today than it did in its last years of operation, when it was filled with unsympathetic accretions necessary for security and baggage-handling. Among other steps, the Port Authority has reopened the sunken waiting lounge in front of the main window, which T.W.A. had decked over and used as a ticket counter.

The spherical clock over the bridge that once led from the Ambassador Club to the Lisbon Lounge and Paris Cafe, still tells time. "It's valiantly doing its job," Mr. DeCota said, glancing up at 11:11, "waiting for someone to see it."


Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company"



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16824 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

What a coincidence, this is from tommorow's (today) Sunday NY Times..

"October 19, 2003

J.F.K. Project Would Reopen Famed Terminal

By COREY KILGANNON

JetBlue Airways and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey have agreed on a plan for the airline to build a modern 26-gate terminal adjacent to Terminal 5 at Kennedy International Airport, the historic Trans World Airlines Flight Center designed by Eero Saarinen, officials said yesterday.

After intense discussions in recent weeks, JetBlue and the Port Authority, which operates the airport, reached a consensus and submitted their final comments to the Federal Aviation Administration last week. The agency has final approval on airport projects and is expected to make a decision within a month.

Richard J. Smyth, vice president of redevelopment at JetBlue, said all parties "feel pretty good" that the plans will be approved.

"We finally arrived at a consensus and made a formal recommendation to the F.A.A. with an approach that seems to be the best plan for everyone," he said.

If approved, the $600 million project would be a bold, ambitious move during a dismal economic time in the airline industry and would help JetBlue, the largest domestic carrier at Kennedy, greatly expand its operations there.

The deal would also revive Terminal 5, famed for its distinctive modern style but closed since October 2001 when Trans World Airlines ceased operations.

"With the building empty, it continues to deteriorate," Mr. Smyth said. "This plan saves a historic building and allows the appropriate upgrade for a modern airline, so we can grow at J.F.K."

The 41-year-old terminal is a city landmark. But after it closed, several New York preservation groups feared that it might be declared obsolete by airport officials and demolished. They began fighting for a development project that would include it as a functioning terminal, rather than a museum piece.

Frank E. Sanchis III, executive director of the Municipal Art Society, which was involved in the discussions, called the final recommendations a "happy solution."

"The plan provides a functional use for one of the most wonderful buildings ever designed to board an airplane from," he said.

Alan Hicks, a Port Authority spokesman, said the agency was working with all parties, including JetBlue and the Municipal Art Society, to make sure that Terminal 5 remained in use. "It is a magnificent work of art, and we are very proud of it," he said.

Mr. Smyth said the existing terminal would serve as an alternative entrance to the proposed terminal behind it and would have automated JetBlue ticket kiosks. The Port Authority would control the older terminal, he said, and evaluate proposals for uses, which could include a conference center, restaurants, shops and offices.

The new terminal would be connected to the existing one by its two well-known tubular passenger walkways, which were used in the 2002 film "Catch Me if You Can" as the setting of a climactic encounter between Leonardo DiCaprio and Tom Hanks.

Under the current recommendations, at least one original walkway would be preserved, with the other possibly modified or rebuilt to contain a moving walkway.

JetBlue operates 80 flights per day out of Terminal 6, but wants to triple that number by 2010, which the proposed 26-gate terminal would allow the airline to do, Mr. Smyth said. JetBlue hopes to finish it by mid-2007, and to pay for much of the cost through the sale of bonds, Mr. Smyth said.


Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company"



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

For BN747 I would say that a real businessman doesn't even look around to see in which plane he is in. As long as the seat (and service) is good, and the airline takes you where you want to go at the time you want to go, it is fine. Provided that you get the FF miles, of course.

User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

i hope that QF goes daily into JFK one day next year.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

FFlyer...true about biz dudes collecting FF miles...but 'Dead Wrong' on biz guys being less than knowledgable about what they are getting on. Your average biz guy is probably more savy at identifying commercial aircraft than many prople on this site. I myself have been blown away at how some of these guys kknow exactly what they are on and what they prefer! For instance, for a very long time AA was losing 'first' pax LAX to LHR when the were 767'ing it vs BA's 742's abd 744s to LHR. The AA sales team here admited they were frustrated to the siituation. But when the 777 came on line, AA breath a sigh of relief, but it may be too little, too late. next summer BA is cranking it up to 3 a day. They are doing this NOT because of supersaver fares in economy....but cuz the know upfront is gonna be crowded! And if you take time to speak with some of these Biz types...you'll be duly impressed with their working logic of equipment!
BN757



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

FFlyer-

I must disagree on this subject! The aircraft matters greatly! Would you fly Delta who as earlier stated rotates aircraft types about as often as Aeroflot. You actually would enjoy a old, dingy, cramped 767-300 to a 777-200? Come on, please be realistic! Would you rather have a Northwest DC-10-30 than a 747-400, would you rather have a Varig 737-200 for a 777-200? Per your earlier note, I must ask ..How often do you fly? How many widebodies havent you been on? Let me guess you are a fan of JetBlue, Southwest, AirTran, and Frontier as well???


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Hah, are you guys serious?? I fly to Europe maybe 5-6 times a year. Mainly on Delta or AF, but every year also with some others. I have close to 1 million miles on DL. I have been to about 50-60 countries, flown on tens of different airlines and every aircraft type, except Concorde and some of the Russian ones - and I have a very big number of business contacts round the world. I'm sure about this: the more you travel, the less and less are you going to pay attention. This means the sights and sounds (in various countries, cities), amenities in hotels, airports, etc, etc. Aircraft type is one of those things. I know this from the other people, and of myself. When I was a junior kind of international traveler, the aircraft type was important for me. Then in started to gradually change. Now when I go to Paris, I only look at the schedule. On CDG-JFK I have not even thought whether it's DL or AF (code shares), but at JFK you have to know which one you are flying due to different terminals. Yes, I know witch a/c I'm in, but I'm not at all disappointed if it is a 767. As long as the miles flow into my account!

Trust me; MOST of the business people don't care!

Oh yes; I have never flown on JetBlue or Southwest or other LCC. The last time I checked, they don't fly to Paris or Tokyo. Or give Skymiles domestically.


User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

How did we get from JFK in 2004 . To who wants or doesnt want to know what aircraft type they are flying?

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

FFlyer, perhaps 'you' don't care. But I've taken BA 742s (In the day)- 744s, UA 777s and even AA 763s to the continent. And in nearly each case, the conevrsation with a seatmate will sooner or later get to..'the type of aircraft we are on or what has been flown. Yes we all like our FFmiles. But having travelled to Europe from JFK since the days of TWA 747 svc, I have to say in my opinion times have changed..back then no cared or few even knew what they we on. Most knew the 747 (but not much more) but as far as the L-1011..they were clueless. But today, they all seem to know exactly what's going on!

As much as I enjoyed an AA 763 across in biz...the guy next to me enjoyed it too and admitted he was onboard in exch of miles but he did state that he rather be on something bigger! And from my experience....he ain't the 1st. Those in economy, from my experience could careless..they're about saving the bucks! They'd fly rickety old Tower Air if they could...but again that's just my observation!

And I did answer the JFK questions in my 1st thread.

BN747



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