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Aeromexico Widebody Order Soon?  
User currently offlineB764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 753 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

I was reading in a current issue of AirlinerWorld that Aeromexico will soon choose the replacement for their 767-200/300 fleet. There is talk of them returning all their 767s.

So with their recent order for 737NG aircraft, will we see a Boeing or Airbus order?

I personally would love to see a 767-400 or 777 in Aeromexico colors. Couldn't they fill a 764 to Madrid & Paris.



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User currently offlineRyder10uk From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

i think the 767-400 would lack the range to get to MAD A330-200 most likely.

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

AFAIK, AM in the first q of 2004, will start talks with AF for the lease of 3 B777s. They will study if it's better for AM to lease them via AF or with a lessor company, or maybe soon we mith see a B764 or B777 order!!!. They will also receive a B767-300 next December. AM will increase frequencies to SCL and GRU. Also they are studying a new route.. MEX-GIG.

They pretend to increase and stay with:
4 - 762S
2 - 763S
3 - 777S

Ricardo M.  Smile




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineB764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 753 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Ryder10uk:

Your right about the 764's range. I should have looked at the specifications before throwing that type out there. It appears then the only Boeing aircraft would be the 777. Still a nice sight in AM colors!

MEX-MAD = 5,643 miles along great circle

767-400 range = 5,645 miles

Does anyone think it'll be an airbus order?





User currently offlineJavomd88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Hi,
I sincerely doubt Aeromexico will go with Airbus, AM is a boeing company and is focussing after the md80s are gone 2 to be an all boeing company. They have good relations with boieng and none with Airbus, id think they would choose them automatically.

For me personally i prefer the 777 over the A330/340.

Thanks and seeya!

JAVO.


User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

can't the 767-400 take Aux tanks to meet the range?


Please excuse my English!
User currently offlineAlvaro From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

I agree with JAVO, AeroMexico will end up replacing those 762s with 763 and then increasing long haul flights & capacity with 777s. Their ties with Boeing are huge.

Alvaro



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

B764
I read that article too, on Airliner World.

AM should get the 777, they need them on the runs to CDG and MAD. Well if AM decided to get the 767-400 they can use it to fly to SCL and GRU. I agree with JAVO and Alvaro AM will stick with 763s and bring in the 777s. I think AM should throw in a 777-300ER but it might be to big for them to fill, but who knows. Big grin  Laugh out loud

[Edited 2003-10-19 20:31:58]

User currently offlineJavomd88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Hi,
Sure we would love a 777-300er, but i think we will startoff with a 777-200, not becuase of the filling it up with pax, but i guess it cost alot more, and we here at Aeromexico ar trying our hardest to reduce costs so we can bring more planes and be at a better financial point! (man that sounded like a commmercial, lol)

But ofcourse a 777-300er would be great. But i doubt it!

Thanks.

JAVO.


User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Just a quick correction - the 767-400ER's maximum range is 5,645 nautical miles, or 6,500 statute miles. Still, given the demise of the 767-400LR several years ago, the 777-200ER would probably be a better match for AeroMexico.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

I personally see no sense at all ordering 764 because it does not have the range to reach Europe from hot and high MEX. The 777 is by far a better option as it can do both the Europe and the South American runs. Now; if the demand is not that great to justify the 777 in South America (as it is in CDG and MAD) I would leave the 763 for those routes.

I heard somewhere Skyteam is pushing AM to get newer widebody a/c; specially 777 fo the Europe flights. Is this true?

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

This might be off the widebody topic. But is AM planning to keep the 757s or are they planning to replace them with 737-800/900 equipment?

Thanks  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to know they will replace them with the 737-900, specially now that Boeing announced the closure of the 757 line. Anyways this is merely speculation and before anything related to further aircraft replacement concerns, I see at least another 5-7 years to the 757 in AM's fleet (if not a bit more time if we took in mind that AM will keep the older-than-757 MD80's until 2008).

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineJOSEMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

>>personally see no sense at all ordering 764 because it does not have the range to reach Europe from hot and high MEX. <<

To tell you the truth, if the 777 is too big for AM and the 764 is range-limited for them, I wouldn't mind seeing them ordering new 762's with the new 77-style interior (like the ones CO's got), and using them to open up routes where demand is not that big (London, CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO, EZE, etc.).

Although many here wouldn't like it, I guess.

[Edited 2003-10-20 06:05:50]

User currently offlineJOSEMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

>>AM is a boeing company <<

Javo,

Let's not forget that, up to a few years ago, MX was an all-boeing airline, and now it may become an all-airbus one.

While everything points in the direction of AM becoming all-Boeing, who knows what may happen when they decide to renew their long-range fleet. If the 777 is too big for AM, and the 767 too small, they might choose the 330 (unless the 7E7 is launche by then).

Although I must say I very much prefer the 777 over the 330/340.

(And please, everyone,I'm not trying to start a A vs B war; it is just my very personal opinion). If either AM or MX went for the 330/340, I would be thrilled just as well.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Ok, after a few orders and years we just have seen that Mexicana will be Airbus and AeroMexico Boeing definitely.

So the most probable thing to we are gonna see it's a widebody order from AM.

Back to the topic, last Friday, some relatives were flying the MEX-MAD with AM, they depart early as estimated on schedule, but 3 hours later, I received a call from my family who were on board, telling me that the flight came back to MEX after an engine failure on engine number 2. AM fix the problem in 2 hours... and then head back to MAD.... poor pax and crew!!! A very long flight!!! This has become more frequent with their long haul routes, and I think the problem is not the 762s, the problem is AM for not having back up aircrafts! They should at least bring 2 more 767s.... one -200 more... I'm glad a -300 is coming soon!

JOSEMEX - I dis and agree with you. AM could easily fill the 777 to MAD and CDG. And I would also love 762/763ss new to replace the current fleet. But for routes to South America at least you have to send a 763! You have to compete with RG MD11 and LA 763 daily flights!

IMO AM should place an order for 3 777s, 4 767-300s and 4 767-200s.

Ricardo Morales  Smile




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineJOSEMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

Ricardo,

I was saying "IF the 777 is too big", not stating that it actually was too big for AM.  Big grin


User currently offlineAr385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6237 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3192 times:
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I disagree. The name of the game these days is frequency, not size. Aeromexico should get more 762 and offer more daily flights to MAD, CDG and even FRA and FCO/MXP. Their schedules to Europe these days are ridicoulousl. Departures at 2pm to CDG 11:30 am to SCL, what that f...is that. Their comparative adavantage should be developed on small, long range planes with high frequencies in a day. That'll kick IB, AF and LH ass.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3077 times:

How long has Aero Mexico had the 767s? They aren't that old are they? I thought that they had got them in the 90s.

Why don't they just hold off and wait for the 7E7


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Ar385:

That will depend on landing rights and flights between Mexico and Europe more than on AM's operational desires. I am not familiar with such things, but I do know that the airlines have very little real control over frequency on international routes.

However, I agree: Several 762 flights would be better than a few 772 flights from the perspective of marketing the flights to consumers.



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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

After all, you're spending half a day flying. ¿What difference could a couple of hours make? The longer the route, the less important frequency becomes. Now, sending 2 762s instead of 1 777 is uneconomical from a seat/mile cost point of view. Bring on some 777s!!!

User currently offlineAr385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6237 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2850 times:
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AM744

Your comment is somewhat misleading. You are right. You are spending half a day on a plane, but I can tell you that as a businessman, those couple of hours can mean one more important meeting, a last minute visit to an important client, etc. The choice of departure times is really important. Just look at BA in Houston. They have several departure times to LGW.

By the way, I have a house in Cuernavaca


User currently offlineElPelon From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

the flight came back to MEX after an engine failure on engine number 2.

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH AM LONG HAUL ROUTES?? last time I flew the MEX-MAD route, we had a 4 hr. delay due to an engine failure, finally they changed the a/c. Last time I went to MEX airport to take a flight to MIA, I noticed that the MEX-CDG flight was delay due to an a/c failure. It seems this is becoming a comon thing.. Are the 767 old?? are they having poor mainteinance? or what´s going??



ElPelon
User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Ar385:
Well, yes, no doubt about it. But talking specifically about AM the convenience of a fully loaded wide-body(cargo and pax) would have more value than adding a third frequency to CDG(counting AF, of course), operationally-wise.

By the way, I have a house in Cuernavaca
Yep, nice city... Maybe we can gather when you come around here and talk about aviation  Big thumbs up Glad to see there are more and more Mexican a.netters


User currently offlineJavomd88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Hi guys,
Id just like to add, that AM flight # 5 and 6 mex/cdg/mex depend entirely on the SLOTS AT CDG! so that our is given to AM to land and depart CDG.
Also they are trying to give 2 alternatives on arrival and connection into CDG.
With Am you have an early arrival and connect almost anywhere, and with AF you have a later connection into CDG, and a late departure from MEX.

Also id like to say, that everyday we connect from lots of domestic flights into MEX and have a convenient connection at 245pm and don't have to wait at mex all day long to leave to europe on european airlines. Ive seen lots of flights leave from various cities in the world at that hour departing to europe. So why are you all like whats with that time of departure.

Thanks

JAVO.


25 Post contains images Ghost77 : Josemex, I did a mistake while reading! Sorry! HlywdCatft, How long has Aero Mexico had the 767s? They aren't that old are they? I thought that they h
26 Britmex : As an AM cabin attendant I have been told some rumours...and facts. Some months ago AF offered AM surplus 777`s but even if we would take them, a lot
27 Rojo : I flew TOdo Jodido (XA-TOJ) on the MEX-MAD route and it has a very weird configuration with a lavatory in the middle of the economy section. The aircr
28 Post contains images Fly727 : Once said that and unless there are some more powerful reasons it seems that the logical decision will fall in the 777 because of: - Restrictions out
29 Post contains images Ghost77 : Yeap, I also like the idea of Josemex and I would do what CO just did! But the 777 or a larger aircraft it's also needed for MAD, CDG... and new more
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