Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12 Posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3079 times:
At the end of this month, Monarch would not be operating flights on behalf of Golden Caribbean in to Grenada, TObago and St Kitts. We got a memo stating that Excel AIrways will be starting service into Grenada come NOvermber 6th, using the B767-300. From all my searches on airliners.net I cannot find an Excel Airways B767-300. It seems like they only have the 200 series. Anyone can shed light on where this 300 series aircraft will come from?
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2928 times:
How is passenger comfort on Excel as compared to Monarch's A330. Monarch was pretty bad and I couldnt imagine doing the 8 hours flight on it.. I hope for passengers sake Excell is a bit more comfortable.
Monarch Premium passengers got a treat when Monarch used European 747 for the flight. They had a pretty nice premium cabin as compared to Monarch, whose looks like BA's economy.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2844 times:
I had the dubious pleasure of flying an Excel B737-800 which was leased to Air Berlin this year - if I think of sitting in that thing, or another plane configured like it, for even 5 minutes more than the NUE-HAJ sector took, I'd probably prefer to walk... are all their planes like that? Are the 767s 2-3-2 or 2-4-2?
Airplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2729 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2750 times:
I have flown Excel 762's 3 times, there leg room is crap basically, I was crapmed up for 4 hours from LHW-ACE, and it wasnt nice at all.
I heard that Excel will be operating a 767 in a 3 class layout, not sure if this is whats going to happen here.
The aircraft will be in the following configuration
Excel One - 24 seats @ 45" pitch (2-2-2)
Premium Economy - 28 seats @ 34" pitch (2-3-2)
Economy - 229 seats @ 30" pitch (2-4-2)
Total seating will be 281
The Economy and Premium Economy cabins on Excel will be pretty much identical to those found on every other UK charter airline. The aircraft will be serving Grenada, Tobago and St Kitts this winter.
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2597 times:
Crosswind it sounds like you have it. Well I am looking forward to working these flights.. We are sharing the flight with TAB on some days and have our own on others. Should be interesting.. Still waiting on the stationary etc. And next week it is BYE BYE Monarch and the A330. I will miss the aircraft.
GAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2414 times:
Apart from the TAB contract, I have heard that Excel are finding it difficult to sell the aircraft (being in 3 class config) for charter work during the rest of the week. Thus the contract may not be worth as much as it is made out to be.
Can anyone shed any light on how much truth is there is in this rumour?
Lowsonboy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Crosswind beat me to it. I ahev seen the XLA winter flight programme from LGW and there will be 3 (I think) Carribean flights a week with the three class config as above. One other noteworthy feature is the 40kg baggage allowance for all passengers. From personal experience I think XLA are an excellent charter airline and it will be interesting to see what there first longhaul product fairs.
NG737PSR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2220 times:
Airplanepics and Edina - for information the seat pitch on the B737-800 comes in at 30", that's a full two inches better than BY/MON/AMM/MYT with their B757s/A320s - I can tell you that we have very few complaints regarding the legroom on the B737-800, if anything people comment on the fact that they are the most comfortable charter aircraft they have flown on in a long while.
In fact the ony rows which aren't that good are row 14 (fixed upright) in front of the first emergency exit at row 15, and row 32 (the last row) gives limited recline as it is adjacent to the rear toilet bulkheads.
Also one needs to look at how one sits in a seat, if you are going to bring on loads of hand luggage and stuff it under the seat in front (as people can do on most holiday flights), yes you will be more uncomfortable as you cannot slide your feet and legs under to any degree.
The B767-200 is tight, but it is a seating configuration which was inherited with the aircraft from Britannia, and is no different to BYs - 290 seat B767-200s which they have used and are still using in that config since around 1992. And with people wanting the cheapest fare on a whole, the service more than makes up for it. IMHO
As yet I don't think there are any details on the Excel Airways website, but if you do searches on "charter flights to Tobago/Grenada/St.Kitts/Barbados" I know the agents/tour operators selling the seats give full details.
I think the prices are very competetive from what I have heard (not 100% sure) with return trips starting from about £350 in Economy, £550 in Excel Premium and £1000 for Excel One.
I think everyone is looking forward with great anticipation, and like most things so far with XLA, I think it is likely to be well received - the Excel One product is promises to be better than that the UK charter airlines have offered previously on these routes. Certainly the B767-300 will be more comfortable than any of the B767s or A330s used on these routes before.
Airblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2114 times:
I have a question about charter long haul operations for long.
Why, if the UK tour operators use charter carriers (and also from France and Scandinavia) that usually fly the B763 and A332 in 2+4+2 or 3+3+3 cabin layout in economy with a very high density, there isn't a difference in price from the same holiday packages offered by German and Italian tour operator that use charter airlines with more comfortable cabin configuration?
An example: a Monarch A332 could carry up to 374 pax compared with the new Livingston/Lauda Italy A332 with only 274 seats.
100 seats is a huge difference, but if you buy for example a holiday package in Cancun the price is almost the same even if you leave from MXP or LGW.