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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

At the end of this month, Monarch would not be operating flights on behalf of Golden Caribbean in to Grenada, TObago and St Kitts. We got a memo stating that Excel AIrways will be starting service into Grenada come NOvermber 6th, using the B767-300. From all my searches on airliners.net I cannot find an Excel Airways B767-300. It seems like they only have the 200 series. Anyone can shed light on where this 300 series aircraft will come from?


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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Most likely Britannia seen as most of Excel's 762s came frm there.
Also Britannia are pulling their 767s out ofLGW
Sam Smile



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

Thanks for the info. I was also told that the aircraft was being reconfigured for Excel Airways. So it would make sense if it did come from Britannia...


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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Going back on what i said they already have it and i dont think it was fro Britannia,
Sam Smile



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

How is passenger comfort on Excel as compared to Monarch's A330. Monarch was pretty bad and I couldnt imagine doing the 8 hours flight on it.. I hope for passengers sake Excell is a bit more comfortable.

Monarch Premium passengers got a treat when Monarch used European 747 for the flight. They had a pretty nice premium cabin as compared to Monarch, whose looks like BA's economy.



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

I'veflown 9+ hours on the Monarch A330 and n it wasn't nice. unlike airtours they didn't have PTVs only in premium and it was quite cramped, not nice!!!
Sam Smile



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

I had the dubious pleasure of flying an Excel B737-800 which was leased to Air Berlin this year - if I think of sitting in that thing, or another plane configured like it, for even 5 minutes more than the NUE-HAJ sector took, I'd probably prefer to walk... are all their planes like that? Are the 767s 2-3-2 or 2-4-2?


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User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

The 767-300's are not coming from BY, they are going to be Icelandic.
Excels ex-Britannia 767-200's came via Air Atlanta to.
On a sideline....why are BY pulling their 767's from LGW ?


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

BY aint gonna pull their 767s from LGW...


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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

I have flown Excel 762's 3 times, there leg room is crap basically, I was crapmed up for 4 hours from LHW-ACE, and it wasnt nice at all.
I heard that Excel will be operating a 767 in a 3 class layout, not sure if this is whats going to happen here.

Hope this helps


Simon



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2755 times:
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Excel's first longhaul aircraft will be operated by Air Atlanta Europe, as their B767-200s are.

The aircraft will be registered G-DAAE, and is a B767-3Y0(ER) which was formerly operated as TF-ATU on behalf of Aviajet on services from Dublin.

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The aircraft will be in the following configuration
Excel One - 24 seats @ 45" pitch (2-2-2)
Premium Economy - 28 seats @ 34" pitch (2-3-2)
Economy - 229 seats @ 30" pitch (2-4-2)
Total seating will be 281

The Economy and Premium Economy cabins on Excel will be pretty much identical to those found on every other UK charter airline. The aircraft will be serving Grenada, Tobago and St Kitts this winter.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Crosswind it sounds like you have it. Well I am looking forward to working these flights.. We are sharing the flight with TAB on some days and have our own on others. Should be interesting.. Still waiting on the stationary etc. And next week it is BYE BYE Monarch and the A330. I will miss the aircraft.


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User currently offline1world From Canada, joined Jan 2002, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

What configuration do they usually have on their 737-800s? How tight is the seat pitch.

Excel will be sending a 738 to Toronto Canada for winter charter work for Kelowna Flightcraft.



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

The 737's are a 3-3 configuration, I havent flown on there 737's but I could safely say that the legroom is poor.


Simon



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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Excel's 737-800s have a one class seating capacity of 189Y ......very tight!


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

On an Excel related note, 2 new bases will be opened next year, with a 737-800 based at BHX and a 737-800 based at NCL.


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User currently offlineGAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Apart from the TAB contract, I have heard that Excel are finding it difficult to sell the aircraft (being in 3 class config) for charter work during the rest of the week. Thus the contract may not be worth as much as it is made out to be.

Can anyone shed any light on how much truth is there is in this rumour?

Cheers,
Adam


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

I would imagine that its a rumour, as any charter flights sell like hot cakes at the right price. There are always destinations that are popular around the world all year.

I dont know though, just a thought

Simon



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User currently offlineLowsonboy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Crosswind beat me to it. I ahev seen the XLA winter flight programme from LGW and there will be 3 (I think) Carribean flights a week with the three class config as above. One other noteworthy feature is the 40kg baggage allowance for all passengers. From personal experience I think XLA are an excellent charter airline and it will be interesting to see what there first longhaul product fairs.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Would someone who knows Excel's website address please post it... been looking for it for a while now, thnx

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Well Lowsonboy, Nov6th is the start date. I forsee the loads would be quite good. Golden Caribbean is the tour operator and their filled the seats when MOnarch was using their A330.


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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

www.excelairways.com


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User currently offlineNG737PSR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Airplanepics and Edina - for information the seat pitch on the B737-800 comes in at 30", that's a full two inches better than BY/MON/AMM/MYT with their B757s/A320s - I can tell you that we have very few complaints regarding the legroom on the B737-800, if anything people comment on the fact that they are the most comfortable charter aircraft they have flown on in a long while.
In fact the ony rows which aren't that good are row 14 (fixed upright) in front of the first emergency exit at row 15, and row 32 (the last row) gives limited recline as it is adjacent to the rear toilet bulkheads.

Also one needs to look at how one sits in a seat, if you are going to bring on loads of hand luggage and stuff it under the seat in front (as people can do on most holiday flights), yes you will be more uncomfortable as you cannot slide your feet and legs under to any degree.

The B767-200 is tight, but it is a seating configuration which was inherited with the aircraft from Britannia, and is no different to BYs - 290 seat B767-200s which they have used and are still using in that config since around 1992. And with people wanting the cheapest fare on a whole, the service more than makes up for it. IMHO

As yet I don't think there are any details on the Excel Airways website, but if you do searches on "charter flights to Tobago/Grenada/St.Kitts/Barbados" I know the agents/tour operators selling the seats give full details.

I think the prices are very competetive from what I have heard (not 100% sure) with return trips starting from about £350 in Economy, £550 in Excel Premium and £1000 for Excel One.

I think everyone is looking forward with great anticipation, and like most things so far with XLA, I think it is likely to be well received - the Excel One product is promises to be better than that the UK charter airlines have offered previously on these routes. Certainly the B767-300 will be more comfortable than any of the B767s or A330s used on these routes before.


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

I have a question about charter long haul operations for long.

Why, if the UK tour operators use charter carriers (and also from France and Scandinavia) that usually fly the B763 and A332 in 2+4+2 or 3+3+3 cabin layout in economy with a very high density, there isn't a difference in price from the same holiday packages offered by German and Italian tour operator that use charter airlines with more comfortable cabin configuration?

An example: a Monarch A332 could carry up to 374 pax compared with the new Livingston/Lauda Italy A332 with only 274 seats.
100 seats is a huge difference, but if you buy for example a holiday package in Cancun the price is almost the same even if you leave from MXP or LGW.




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