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Windowshades - Importance On Takeoff/Landing  
User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Why dont more airlines or the FAA for that matter require that window shades be fully raised during take-off and landing!

Omni Air International, makes it routines to advise passengers to do so!

Singapore Airlines, is putting forth the effort as well!

Do people realize how important it is to have window shades raised durng the most critical phase of flight?

- Observe Departure
- Observe Arrival
- Observe Irregularities
- Observe Objects

Not only is this important to the cockpit.... The cant see what is going on the the Number 4 engine on departure from the back of the aircraft. If anything happens they must rely on the passengers and crew members to advise them!

Frequent Fliers or not.... start raising your window shades from now on!

Of course, if you fly so much... you already know how important it is!


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User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

I really doubt Dean Martin is going to need to leave the cockpit to look at something a passenger witnessed.

As for Gary Collins, he was made redundant when the last DC-10 was sent to the desert.


User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

Maybe it is required so that if they encounter an accident on takeoff or landing, the passengers can see what is outside the aircraft before they evacuate. (Such as fire, obstructions, or other hazards). That way they quickly evacuate in the safest direction without bogging down other passengers.

User currently offlineJetMARC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

I think what somebody had posted in related thread was also important -
it allows pax eyes to acclimate to outside conditions as well as providing adequate cabin lighting should visibility become impaired during an emergency situation...



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3399 times:
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Not only is this important to the cockpit.... The cant see what is going on the the Number 4 engine on departure from the back of the aircraft. If anything happens they must rely on the passengers and crew members to advise them!

Good call. So when number 4 goes, the guy in 17C rushes the cockpit to "advise" them and is quickly subdued by armed Federal Air Marshals.  Insane



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User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

If the flight crew can't tell that the number four engine has fallen off, caught fire, failed, or whatever then something is seriously wrong (besides the number four engine).

User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

I seem to remember that many years ago some countries insisted that blinds were closed on take off and landing.

IIRC it was the USSR during the cold war, as some military bases were co-located at cicilian airports.

any one have more info on this?

Rich.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

I seem to remember that many years ago some countries insisted that blinds were closed on take off and landing.

One of my friends flew with Lufthansa to Sana'a via Jeddah a few years ago and they had to lower the blinds between the landing at Jeddah and departure from Jeddah.


User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

I can obviously tell from this collective group that you all seem to think that Flight Attendants and morons and Passengers know nothing!

WRONG!

Things are done for certain reasons...

I am sure all of you who dislike the windowshades to be raised also are guilty of the following, (it is funny to see a grown man in fear as the A320 starts and makes all kinds of noise..you cant explain)-

-Talk Back to Cabin Crew!

-Yapping during Safety Demonstrations!

-Place your feet in the aisle during flight!
(If you want legroom pay for First or Business Class, if not sit in your seat and face forward!)

-Stand Up at the Last Possible Minute to use the Restroom!

-Get all bent out of shape when you go to the bathroom and the Flight Attendants dont move thier service carts due to a meal or beverage presentation!

-You squack and say the seats are to small!

-You complain about the Gate Agents!

-You think Flight Attendants dont know anything!

-And lastly - because you fly so much, you know more than the Airlines,FAA, and cabin crew combined ..... uh.... news for you... !!!!NOT!!!!

The next time you are a flight do us all a favor.

Shut Up and do as you are told.
And for heavens sakes stop snorring!



User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

By the way.....

Windowshades usually are down during Hijackings as well!!


Happy Flying!


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1606 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

At AirTran we require shades up for takeoff and landing. We get a lot of grief for it as well. It makes perfect sense to me, however, not only for observation of what is going on outside the cabin but to let one's eyes adjust to ambient light (in case of a sudden evacuation).

User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Good point Kl777jfk!!!


User currently offlineProudtoflyaa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

I heard it explained by a TWA flight attendant (they had this policy as well) that it was so rescue workers could see into the cabin if necessary, such as if crash/fire/rescue had to cut through the fuselage.

Kl777jfk appears to be off his rocker once again.


User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

I agree it should be manditory for them to be open during takeoff and desent....

I also find it very very very very agrivating when people have them closed....
I was flying standby on WJ so i got a aslie seat as there were no window ones left. I sat beside a mother and her 2 year old daughter. The mother gave the child the window seat....
The baby had it open fully at the gate, first time on a airplane for her, kinda cute accually. We pushed and started... as soon as we taxied the baby slammed the window to about halfway... im trying to peak out as much as i can.. then as were holding short. Slam the window shade goes closed. The mother tryed to open it several times during the flight. but no the child would just slam it shut.... Even during the desent and landing it was closed. I find it agrivating, probally just because im a aviation freak.


User currently offlineProudtoflyaa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

When I'm forced to sit in a window seat (I always go for the aisle unless I'm upgraded), I purposely keep the shade shut except when I have to as I don't like people leaning over me to look out the window.



User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

I am to assume this must come the following!

- Do you wish to be prepared in an emergency situation?

Flight Attendants, routinely require Windowshades to be raised during the critical phases of flight!

- Takeoff until 10,000 feet
- Landing below 10,000 feet

The Windowshades serve a purpose. If those that chose a window seat, and lower the window shade prior to departure or while landing are doing a great disservice to both fellow passengers and crewmembers!


LHR001


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