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An Incident With A Edelweiss A330 Departing MIA  
User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10429 times:

There is an Edelweiss A330 parked in the old Pan Am maintanence hangar in MIA, he has been there for more than 2 weeks.


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I heard that this a/c crossing more than 20 thousand feet departing MIA bound for Zurich, had engine problems and one of the engines blades struck the fuselage, and was inches away of entering the interior of the aircraft, also one of the engines caught fire (the one that the engine blade went off) and the crew had to land with one engine to MIA doing an emergency landing.

All of this occurring around 2 or 3 AM Est time.

Mechanics from Switzerland are in MIA doing the works on the a/c they already changed the engine.

Now they are focused on the fuselage.






"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

I've seen that aircraft, too (taxied in front of it actually). Gorgeous paint job.

That was a day I'll never forget...behind a European 747, with an Edelweiss and JMC A330 right behind me.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10244 times:

Wow, tragedy narrowly averted.... I did not know about this story....


"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10224 times:

Nice livery, looks pretty nice.

But it was good to know that every one pulled out safe.

It was after midnight, so there was not much activity in MIA, so this incident is almost unknown.

Until know, hopefull someone that knows something about this could say more, since this is all i have in info.



"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10192 times:

Wow, tragedy narrowly averted.... I did not know about this story....

An engine failure (even an uncontained one) does not constitute a near-tragedy. We're trained to cope with them from day one of multiengine training  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10090 times:

JBirdAV8r -

I was talking about the UNCONTAINED engine failure and the engines fan blade almost piercing the fuselage, which probably could have resulted in cabin decompression.... But like I said, tragedy narrowly averted.

As an aerospace engineer, and a pilot, I do recognize the fact that multiengine rated pilots are trained to fly with an engine out (1 or 2 engines out) condition. I will venture to say that specific type rated pilots are also trained to deal with cabin air decompression situations for the equipment they are flying.

If a fan blade pierces the fuselage on the plane I'm flying on as a passenger, I would be concerned, would you? Would anybody?



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10050 times:

The aircraft was airborne for 13 minutes (bound for ZRH) and was at approx. 21000 ft when No 1 engine suffered a blocked oil pipeline caused by oil burn residues.

No 1 engine then didn't get sufficient lubrication and one of the fans seized up and the whole thing literally exploded. Pieces of the engine penetrated the wing and hit the fuselage (but did not penetrate it), and the aircraft managed to get back to MIA safely.

It could have happen everywhere, it could have been fatal...


User currently offlineMD-11 forever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

Guys, although I can't go in to large details, I try to give you some more informations. There was no fanblade lost, as some of you suggested. The damage is limited to the turbine section of the engine. Also I assume it as an exaggeration to say that a blade nearly hit the fuselage. Nobody would have been able to see that and therefore noone can confirm this..... However, the wing has some serious damages, and it is likely, that the plane will need heavy repair before it can fly again in revenue service. Also, the second engine was changed a swell, to eliminate any risk as this engine clocked up the same amount of flighthours and cycles.

Cheers, Thomas


User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

Oh, thanks for the Info UNIQUE.

I really thank god that the a/c was over water, If not those pieces would had fallen in the ground and hit any body down, since those things would had been projectiles.



"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10012 times:

Thomas,

One thing,

I got the info on the fusalage from some one that works in AA and has been working near this a/c.



"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9994 times:

any chance of pictures??


I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with keyboards.
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

Ok, I get it...

Forgive me on the fan-blade issue, moot point if it DID NOT happen....

BUT......
....Some will say that exploded engine turbine section components piercing the wing will NOT be a danger to the plane or it's occupants........While some will say that exploded engine turbine section components piercing the wing will be a danger to the plane and it's occupants....

I guess it all matters in what, if any, flight control systems they disrupt, fuel lines the do/don't hit, and other criteria.... It's all in the perception of what could be dangerous or not.


But can anybody in this industry tolerate uncontained engine failures, I know that for the avionics cooling fans that my company produces, they cannot fail the uncontained test.



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

I've received detailled pictures but on a confidential basis only hence I'm unable to share it to the public. Maybe at a later stage...

User currently offlineMD-11 forever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9875 times:

...same here Unique....

Cheers, Thomas


User currently offlineAr385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6217 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9848 times:
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Wake up people, an uncontained engine failure does not pose a life threatening situation. Nobody was at risk on that flight. It sure does make great headlines but as far as pilots are concerned, it's just a routine occurence, specially on high bypass engines. Please, let's not play in the hands of sensationalistic media. We should know better

User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9801 times:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/2003/10/08/news/local/6958284.htm

Posted on Wed, Oct. 08, 2003

MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
Swiss plane returns after blast
By INA PAIVA CORDLE
icordle@herald.com

An engine exploded on a Swiss charter airline Sunday morning shortly after it took off from Miami International Airport with 175 people aboard.

Edelweiss Air Flight No. 565 en route to Zurich returned to the airport and no injuries were reported, said Lauren Peduzzi, spokeswoman for the National Transportation Security Board, which is investigating the incident.

However, the explosion of the Rolls-Royce engine damaged the Airbus A330's wing, and pieces of the engine could have penetrated the passenger cabin.

''Anytime you have an uncontained engine failure and have engine parts exiting the engine, it's a dangerous situation,'' Peduzzi said. ``There is a danger that engine parts will damage the aircraft or they could injure people.''

The twin-engine Airbus A330 departed Miami at 1:28 a.m. and returned at 2:11 a.m., said Marc Henderson, Miami International Airport spokesman.

The plane's left engine failed no more than 40 miles outside the airport, Henderson said.

Passengers were flown later that day on Lufthansa and American Airlines flights, Henderson said.

Edelweiss' charter flight has flown nonstop to Zurich on Sunday mornings since July 5.

Peduzzi said the aircraft is still in Miami, and Rolls-Royce is making arrangements to remove the engine and ferry it to Derby, England, to analyze it.

Engine explosions are unusual, and the flying metal created by them can kill passengers.


Rgds. Kilavoud.



User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Ar385,

You should wake up. An uncontained engine failure can easily be a life-threatening situation. I believe the DC-10 which crashed in Sioux City, Iowa (miraculously the captain and his crew saved many lives) suffered an uncontained engine failure and this damaged critical hydraulic lines.

The fact that the Edelweiss plane suffered wing damage is evidence that it is indeed a serious issue. This will certainly be heavily investigated by the engine maker (RR) and the various authorities indeed because it is so serious.

A "normal" engine failure or shutdown is not a particularly serious issue, but an uncontained engine failure is.

BTW, I know many of the crew at EDW. There is a very high standard of professionalism in this little company.

[Edited 2003-10-21 08:18:39]


smrtrthnu
User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1710 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9662 times:

Maybe you should tell those unfortunate people on that Delta MD80 that an uncontained engine failure isn't life threatening. I've seen uncontained starter failure's pierce the fuselage on 737 type airplanes. Uncontained failures are most definitely a safety concern.

User currently offlineAr385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6217 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9641 times:
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Shenzhen:

I don't like your sarcastic tone. I feel offended and hurt. You should go back to my posts and then make a mature comment regarding them. I have the utmost respect for human life and I don't appreciate the way you are introducing your comment. Any death is unfortunate. That does not change the fact that uncontained engine failures are a fact of life, and that pilots are trained to deal with them in a certain way.


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

Gentlemen, calm down! NO debries have entered the cabin! Pieces just hit the fuselage without penetrating it!

User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9504 times:

As EDW only have one long-haul aircraft, the one involved in the incident, which aircraft is operating it's long-hauls for the time being from ZRH?

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineWbryce From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9351 times:

for god sake...

Someone just leak the damn pictures already!

my email address wbryce@scottishmail.co.uk feel free to show me the pictures Big grin

The systmems damaged by that uncontained failure were statistically impossible to have occured

Statistically aint really the way to look at it! as you said it was statistically impossible, but it did happen, i will bet theres been alot of crashes out there that where statistically impossible.

The pilots done a grand job imo, and this could have been serious, but the fact it was just basicially a routine emergency landing that they do on the sims every so often.

[Edited 2003-10-21 11:17:47]

User currently offlineWbryce From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

lucky you, think you can get me in the jumpseat?  Big grin

User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9256 times:

Wbryce,

Sorry, not allowed any more.... Company policy....

Otherwise I like to have guests on the jumpseat.

Saab2000



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9134 times:

As EDW only have one long-haul aircraft, the one involved in the incident, which aircraft is operating it's long-hauls for the time being from ZRH?

So far, many different aircraft were leased by Edelweiss to operate their long haul flights such as

- Belair B763
- Eurofly A332
- Volare A332
- Air Luxor A333
- Novair A332 (presently SE-RBF, Novair fuse c/s, Air Luxor fin c/s)

From a ZRH spotters point of view, this incident was quite successful...  Big thumbs up


25 Kellmark : Its interesting that nobody has mentioned that this was an etops flight. They were lucky that the incident occurred close to an available airport. If
26 B752fanatic : The thing is that, if they struck the wing, and also the fusulage, it could also had struck the fuel tank. Thank god that it never penetraded the inte
27 Post contains images Wbryce : yes, can we see some pictures please anyone willing to send to my email address above, ill put them on with no names involved
28 BWIA330 : Hey, Currently Edelweiss has contracted a Novair A330-200 to do the long hauls from Zurich. It states this on their website. Regards, BWIA330
29 JBirdAV8r : Aerobalance: I'm sorry, but even if an aircraft engine experienced an uncontained failure with MULTIPLE pieces penetrating the fuselage pressure vesse
30 Gigneil : On a more positive note- That Miami Herald article is the most accurate and balanced media representation of an aviation event I've ever read. N
31 Lfutia : Sorry this might be off topic but was looking at the Edelweiss pics on the Edelweiss website and was looking at its pictures and it included a link to
32 Post contains links and images Ar385 : JBirdAV8r, Finally, a voice of reason. That's the point I've been trying to make all along. And, for MD-11 forever, here are the "facts you wanted me
33 Copaair737 : I saw this plane in the hanger on friday. There was an AA M80 next to it. I also saw an ex-TWA 717 being painted into FL colors. I saw the Iberia 742
34 Ar385 : So as to avoid confusion, the picture on my post corresponds to the Aerolineas Argentinas plane mentioned. It's a 747 engine, it's not a pic of the Ed
35 MD-11 forever : @Ar385 Wow, 5 cases in 35 years are what you call countless... I'm impressed. I still stand by my opinion that an uncontained engine failure is a seri
36 Post contains images Unique : Guys, I managed to find some screenshots from the TV... It gives you an impression on how serious the incident was! Cheers
37 USAir330 : Wow that picture really does show how serious it was!!!! It's like if the plane was flying with reverse thrust....... definitely scary!
38 767Lover : I don't understand the hostility being displayed on this thread in regards to the seriousness of the incident. Some people think bypass surgery is a v
39 CitationX : This does bring an ETOPS question to mind: If this incident had happened over the mid-Atlantic - with the added, asymmetric drag loads caused by the e
40 JBirdAV8r : It's like if the plane was flying with reverse thrust....... definitely scary! That hole looks like it's aft of the reverser grates....in any case I g
41 JBirdAV8r : Thomas, I completely agree with you...uncontained engine failures are BIG events that shouldn't happen under any circumstance. The point I was trying
42 Ar385 : MD-11 forever Of course those five cases I presented are not the only ones. I stand by my statement of "countless" Those 5 were the ones for which I h
43 SR Spirit : Folks, anyone who knows WHEN the plane is back in service? A friend of mine is not so happy to fly the Novair plane to Male in a couple of days...
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