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Will DTW See A KLM A/c

Malot767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 35 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1578 times:

I was wondering , A KLM a/c always seemed to be at DTW, after a couple months I haven't seen one in a while ,what happened?

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Kl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1555 times:

Ahhhh...

They have a on/again.... off/again schedule with NWA.... Once described to me as " once the pitcher is filled, change it to another ",i.e. once KLM make a profit... NWA then gets a pice of the action... once KLM makes a profit... NWA then gets a piece of the action... It is a very odd agreement I must admit... the same situation for MSP!

Favre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

All AMS revenues are shared between nwa/klm--doesnt matter who flies route..

BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77

SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1702 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

I wish there was a KLM aircraft operating to DTW. Flew the 743 last Christmas while trying to avoid the red tails. Unfortunately KL has no plans to serve DTW this winter, but on the other hand, NW's A330's are great alternatives. Especially since NW's in-flight service has been dramatically improving each time I fly them.

SR 103

UN_b732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4286 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

but the service is different, as are equipement. Some might fancy KL, some might fancy NW.
-UN
(I think NW finds a codeshare unlucrative since they are feeding a hub, and want NW flight numbers... KL would have to depend on O&D since NW would only sell a certain number of seats under their paper)

What now?

HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

KLM will probably return by the summer. They were out for a while after 9-11, but returned in the summer of 2002 until recently.

I remember the days at DTW when you would see two KLM aircraft a day.

Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

HlywdCatft

I remember those days also, remember the F gates with the 747's right up close and personal. The 2 KLM planes mixed in a sea of red tails.

You can cut the irony with a knife

IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

NW's scheduled to operate all three flights ex-DTW this winter and one more beginning in the spring. However, the latter's schedule won't be finalized for awhile... NW "traded" EWR-AMS and IAD-AMS for the fourth DTW frequency + MEM-AMS ... if KL were to return, I'd expect NW to "trade" for one of KL's routes.

Kl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

I am crossing my fingers they dont trade -

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Photo © Carlos A. Morillo Doria

LAX -

a daily 747-400

SFO

a daily mix of MD-11 (777 in 2004)

JFK

a daily MD-11/747 ( 2 747 in winter)

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Photo © Paul Spijkers

**By the way this is a photo of a full pax 747-400 at SFO**

Keep the beautiful KLM bluebirds..... we dont want the DC-10's anywhere near us!

Happy Flight!

KL777JFK

[Edited 2003-10-22 05:35:50]

AIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

The occasional and rare MD-11 flight into DTW was always my favorite.

PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6875 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

LAX-AMS, SFO-AMS have always been KLM

JFK-AMS has been operated by NW in the past. One of the flights was a NW 744, mainly for the reason since the aircraft from NRT-JFK would've otherwise sat at JFK for something like 20 hours.

HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

**The occasional and rare MD-11 flight into DTW was always my favorite**

It wasnt that rare- from 1995-96, KLM was flying the MD-11 to DTW in addition to the 747.

Then for the most part in 2002, KLM was flying the MD-11 with an occassional 743. I was lucky enough to see the KLM Asia 744 come to DTW as a sub one day last year when there was a technical problem with the MD-11 so we saw two KLMs parked at the Midfield that day.

Killerbabe From Netherlands, joined Aug 2003, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

in the summer KLM will fly to DTW with flight KL 617 and the MD-11 orr 743 are used.But most flight from the US to Ams are done with NW aircraft

IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 980 times:

in the summer KLM will fly to DTW with flight KL 617 and the MD-11 orr 743 are used.

NW is currently scheduled to operate all four flights to AMS next summer -- but that really doesn't mean anything, since they swap routes with week's notice.

But most flight from the US to Ams are done with NW aircraft.
It's about even:
JFK - 1x to 2xKLM
EWR - KLM
IAD - KLM
BOS - NW
DTW - 3xNW
MEM - NW
MSP - 2xNW
IAH - KLM
SEA - NW
SFO - KLM
LAX - KLM

KLM = 6 to 7 daily flights
NW = 8 daily flights

AZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 927 times:

Isn't MIA also operated by KLM now?

Kalamazoozoozoozoozoozoozoo

IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 917 times:

I forgot about MIA -- early morning memory blunder...

So KL's 7 to 8, NW's 8. Pretty even... and if our favorite Dutch carrier didn't eliminate MCO/ATL/PHL-AMS ....

AATriple7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 886 times:

When did NWA start the MEM-AMS service? I remember early this year i was flying the PHX-MEM route and saw the KLM 767-300 PH-BZE (i think). I sure miss the KLM`s in MEM.

USAF

Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 871 times:

So KL's 7 to 8, NW's 8. Pretty even... and if our favorite Dutch carrier didn't eliminate MCO/ATL/PHL-AMS ....

IndustrialPate, AMS-PHL was a NWA DC-10, but as far as AMS-ATL is concerned. You never know what Skyteam will bring to ATL (forget about MCO as Martinair is already flying to MCO)

KLM stopped flying to MEM mid summer season (wasn't it August?) if I'm correct

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