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Will DTW See A KLM A/c  
User currently offlineMalot767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 35 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2093 times:

I was wondering , A KLM a/c always seemed to be at DTW, after a couple months I haven't seen one in a while ,what happened?

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User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2070 times:

Ahhhh...

They have a on/again.... off/again schedule with NWA.... Once described to me as " once the pitcher is filled, change it to another ",i.e. once KLM make a profit... NWA then gets a pice of the action... once KLM makes a profit... NWA then gets a piece of the action... It is a very odd agreement I must admit... the same situation for MSP!


User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

All AMS revenues are shared between nwa/klm--doesnt matter who flies route..


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User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

I wish there was a KLM aircraft operating to DTW. Flew the 743 last Christmas while trying to avoid the red tails. Unfortunately KL has no plans to serve DTW this winter, but on the other hand, NW's A330's are great alternatives. Especially since NW's in-flight service has been dramatically improving each time I fly them.

SR 103


User currently offlineUN_b732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

but the service is different, as are equipement. Some might fancy KL, some might fancy NW.
-UN
(I think NW finds a codeshare unlucrative since they are feeding a hub, and want NW flight numbers... KL would have to depend on O&D since NW would only sell a certain number of seats under their paper)



What now?
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

KLM will probably return by the summer. They were out for a while after 9-11, but returned in the summer of 2002 until recently.

I remember the days at DTW when you would see two KLM aircraft a day.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

HlywdCatft

I remember those days also, remember the F gates with the 747's right up close and personal. The 2 KLM planes mixed in a sea of red tails.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

NW's scheduled to operate all three flights ex-DTW this winter and one more beginning in the spring. However, the latter's schedule won't be finalized for awhile... NW "traded" EWR-AMS and IAD-AMS for the fourth DTW frequency + MEM-AMS ... if KL were to return, I'd expect NW to "trade" for one of KL's routes.

User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

I am crossing my fingers they dont trade -


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Photo © Carlos A. Morillo Doria



LAX -

a daily 747-400

SFO

a daily mix of MD-11 (777 in 2004)

JFK

a daily MD-11/747 ( 2 747 in winter)



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**By the way this is a photo of a full pax 747-400 at SFO**

Keep the beautiful KLM bluebirds..... we dont want the DC-10's anywhere near us!


Happy Flight!


KL777JFK

[Edited 2003-10-22 05:35:50]

User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1736 times:


The occasional and rare MD-11 flight into DTW was always my favorite.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

LAX-AMS, SFO-AMS have always been KLM

JFK-AMS has been operated by NW in the past. One of the flights was a NW 744, mainly for the reason since the aircraft from NRT-JFK would've otherwise sat at JFK for something like 20 hours.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

**The occasional and rare MD-11 flight into DTW was always my favorite**

It wasnt that rare- from 1995-96, KLM was flying the MD-11 to DTW in addition to the 747.

Then for the most part in 2002, KLM was flying the MD-11 with an occassional 743. I was lucky enough to see the KLM Asia 744 come to DTW as a sub one day last year when there was a technical problem with the MD-11 so we saw two KLMs parked at the Midfield that day.


User currently offlineKillerbabe From Netherlands, joined Aug 2003, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

in the summer KLM will fly to DTW with flight KL 617 and the MD-11 orr 743 are used.But most flight from the US to Ams are done with NW aircraft

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

in the summer KLM will fly to DTW with flight KL 617 and the MD-11 orr 743 are used.

NW is currently scheduled to operate all four flights to AMS next summer -- but that really doesn't mean anything, since they swap routes with week's notice.

But most flight from the US to Ams are done with NW aircraft.
It's about even:
JFK - 1x to 2xKLM
EWR - KLM
IAD - KLM
BOS - NW
DTW - 3xNW
MEM - NW
MSP - 2xNW
IAH - KLM
SEA - NW
SFO - KLM
LAX - KLM

KLM = 6 to 7 daily flights
NW = 8 daily flights


User currently offlineAZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Isn't MIA also operated by KLM now?


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

I forgot about MIA -- early morning memory blunder...

So KL's 7 to 8, NW's 8. Pretty even... and if our favorite Dutch carrier didn't eliminate MCO/ATL/PHL-AMS ....


User currently offlineAATriple7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1401 times:

When did NWA start the MEM-AMS service? I remember early this year i was flying the PHX-MEM route and saw the KLM 767-300 PH-BZE (i think). I sure miss the KLM`s in MEM.


USAF
User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1386 times:

So KL's 7 to 8, NW's 8. Pretty even... and if our favorite Dutch carrier didn't eliminate MCO/ATL/PHL-AMS ....

IndustrialPate, AMS-PHL was a NWA DC-10, but as far as AMS-ATL is concerned. You never know what Skyteam will bring to ATL (forget about MCO as Martinair is already flying to MCO)

KLM stopped flying to MEM mid summer season (wasn't it August?) if I'm correct


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