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** T S A ** Do TheyHave Your Confidence?  
User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Do you feel safe that now the "TSA" is in force?

Or do you feel that it is just wondow dressing for a much larger problem?

- On a recent trip from LGA-DFW-SMF, myself and countless other passengers were amazed at how unprofessional, unkept, and unknowledgable the "TSA" screeners were...

Does anyone share the same feeling?

Have they won you vote of confidence??

Regards,


KL777JFK

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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Poorly paid jobs for poorly educated people. What would you expect?

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4047 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2149 times:
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totally agree, why is it that airline employees seem to know more about security procedures than the actual screeners? Weren't these the creme of the crop who were tested and tested and re-tested again? Yes, but wait I forgot they were given the answers. And the funny thing is is that most the TSA employees now, were already screeners with Globe and Argenbright in the first place. The only difference now is that they get about 20 paid holidays a year being Gov't employees. You were right, they can be very unprofessional and unkowledgable, all who think they are the kings of aviation who are on power trips, I am extrememly disgusted with TSA and think we mine as well go back to the way it was, then we wont be paying these ridiculous security fees that are costing airlines millions and millions of dollars.


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

I lost confidence a while back when TSA issued a statement saying that there is a greater chance of hijackings, then announced they were cutting back on air marshals. I also have some very real concerns about their ability to find weapons, such as box cutters, in carry on bags. My biggest concern is with cargo, which for the most part is not being checked at all.

I think we've got a long ways to go.





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User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2725 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

I don't even take the TSA seriously. It's just one more way to rape the public of privacy and say that it's in the name of security. It's pathetic.

Nick


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Are you kidding? The TSA is a joke, pure and simple. They couldn't find a gun if you waved it in their faces. Drrr... I'm a TSA screener.. drrr! Timmy!  Big grin

User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Sadly this is what happens when you try to expand security overnight and staff it with low paid workers instead of security professionals. It may be cheaper in the short run, but over time you wind up with crap security, poor workers and a poor reputation.

Security decisions are being made by people with no background in policing or security and with politics and appearance taking priority over safety.


User currently offlineLImamura From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Having TSA at the airports is a waste of time and money. Half the time when I walk through those metal detectors they are not even looking at me or the top of the machine, which I guess tells them the level of metal objects I have on me.
TSA is so inconsistant, how could they be taken seriously?!
I mean, you could be carrying around a small pocket knife and maybe you have been fine going through 10 security check points, but then finally they catch it on the eleventh try. A couple months ago they took away a butane lighter that I had been carrying through security for all of 2002. What's with that.. I mean if 10 other TSA check points didn't have a problem with it why this one. That clearly showed me that they really don't follow the book, but rather they act on their own emotions or disgression. Possible if I went to the agent one row over then I would still have that lighter..


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

And no less than six times did that Heatwole kid put CLEARLY banned items on aircraft! And NOTHING has been done about it.

This is scary, folks. This goes beyond being a national embarrassment....this is downright dangerous.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineKempa From Brazil, joined Aug 2003, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Terror is a psychological aggression. The loss of 3000 lives is insignificant for the military capabilities of the United States, but the psychological damage was enormous. It created a feeling of vulnerability that Americans had never imagined.

The TSA works more or less on the same level, on two fronts. The first is that potential terrorists now know that the could be caught before performing an attack. Not that they will be caught, but they potentially could. Before 9/11, terrorists knew they would not be caught. The other level plays on the general public perception of air travel safety. It's the idea that "something" is being done to protect air travelers, who then feel safer and travel more.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Actually its more about hassling than protecting passengers. They find everything that you don't try to hide. But this kid proven that if you want to hide something - then no problem to get it to the aircraft.
Morover - he sent email to them stating that he has information about dangerous object placed on the aircrafts and NO ONE reacted. That is real scandal. As with Sept. 11 - they had information but they ignored them.


User currently offlineJacques60 From France, joined Jul 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

For the benefit of one European like me, would anyone care to explain what TSA is ?

User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1948 times:


-Transportation Security Advisor- i.e. Airport Security Checkpoint

they are the ones eating, talking, and demanding you know nothing..because they have the shirt with a badge!


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Transportation Security Administration.

They're more interested in putting college kids in jail and busting people telling jokes about bombs than really solving any problems.



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1945 times:


There is no such thing as 100% security, but, the TSA is 500% better than what we had before. Everybody is picking on the TSA, because before, the security never bothered nobody.

TSA = Transportation Security Administration (security at the airports)

You think the TSA is a pain now, well that a** that snuck stuff on the Southwest flight is about to make it a hell of a lot worse.




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User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

For those of us the lost people in 9/11.

Airport/Airline Security is a joke!

The TSA is an enormous slap in the face.. It is windowdressing for a much bigger problem!

We need to get serious.. Just as in Europe and Asia...

Armed guards! ...

Disciplined Personel! ...

Responsible/Reliable Candidates! ...


I guess you would have to start with the F.A.A and D.O.T....
That is where we should have had some housecleaning first!


User currently offlineJacques60 From France, joined Jul 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Many thks for your explanations ! Now I understand why they asked me -quite rudely- to loosen my belt, take off my shoes and deliberately made me wait ! I had dared to grumble that 4 checks was overdoing it a little !
This was in ATL last July 20th.
rgds


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

JOKE, JOKE, JOKE.

In fact the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES is a joke. Not just the TSA.


User currently offlineSwafa30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

As a cabin crewmember this subject is of particular interest to me. For the large portion of the traveling public that only travels occassionally, this subject is mostly academic but for those of us who work on the nations airliners this is an everyday concern.

Even if TSA were meeting or exceeding standards, you still have jets flying around with bellies full of largely unscreened cargo and airport employees on the apron area with access to aircraft that bypass the security checkpoint as a matter of course. Then there are the shoulder fired missles floating around out there.

Part of the problem is that this security game is filled with contradictions.
Qualified screening and screeners is expensive. But nobody wants to really spend the necessary money. The government and the airlines each think the other should pay and passengers end up getting nickeled and dimed to death with meaningless fees. Thorough screening is time consuming but everybody complains about having to be at the airport too early. We want terrorists caught before they can act but some also want complete privacy and others are offended by the perceived or real discrimination of profiling.

There are examples of carriers that have taken responsibility for the safety of their aircraft and passengers. El Al comes to mind. It only takes a brief look at their security procedures to know that the american public would never stand for the scrutiny.

Do the logistics of the massive US commercial travel system make true security impossible?


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

I also find that there are a larger percentage of disgruntled workers with "short-man syndrome" (i.e. an inferiority complex demonstrated by acting "bigger than" everyone else, acting like real jerks "just because they can") in this "profession" than in any other.

Anyone else notice this?



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Ok, for all of you security experts, instead of just saying how you don't like the TSA, why not give some constructive ideas as to how airport security can be tightened.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Ok, for all of you security experts, instead of just saying how you don't like the TSA, why not give some constructive ideas as to how airport security can be tightened.

Well, we could start by screening air cargo. Next we could invest in technology such as explosive-proof baggage containers and better screening equipment. Finally, we could give every airline captain a gun and train him on how to use it.

Aside from that, perhaps we could evaluate our foreign policy and perhaps get to the root cause of the problem.



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineCdgdtw From United States of America, joined May 2003, 200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

TSA - I know it has been said a thousand times but once again: Thousands Standing Around. I'm certain there is a way to be tough on security without having such an obvious waste of resources making security lines unbearable. As a crew member, we encounter hundreds of different stations every year. Some small stations in particular, insist we remove our shoes. Others tell me I cannot have my wine-opener (no knife). There is no consistency. A while ago at MBS in Michigan, I counted 13 screeners one morning at ONE lousy checkpoint. Is this the best way? Showing strength with so many uniforms walking around? This has to change.


User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

They are not anyworse then what we had before. It is not possible to make air security 100% safe. If the airline is chosen as a target by the terrorist they will always find a way around security to do what they want to do. The only thing security can really do is deter something from happening.

"such as explosive-proof baggage containers"

This would only work on wide bodies. I would love to see you load a container onto a narrowbody such as a 717, DC-9, or 737.


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

In fact the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES is a joke. Not just the TSA

very true!

i have no faith in the TSA after a very dumb action on thier part in DEN.



"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
25 LastBaron : T - Totally S - Superfluous A - Agency Another crude attempt by the current regime to create jobs to stem the massive hemhorraging in the private sect
26 Ntspelich : I was at PIT last night picking my roommate up from LGA. While I was waiting outside of the security screening area for his arrival, I witnessed 2 TSA
27 LastBaron : Like I said... they should be flipping burgers at McDonald's, not entrusted with travelers' safety...
28 Danny : Aternative translation - Thousands Standing Around.
29 Futureualpilot : In fact the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES is a joke and yet I still see the U.S. as being the "world leader" and still the most powerful nati
30 Futureualpilot : Ok, I want to apologize for any political comments, it isnt my place and Im an avid U.S. supporter(I live in it!) so anybnody insulting it gets me goi
31 Futureualpilot : Again Im saying Im sorry....its been a bad day. BUT, relating to the post, they dont anymore after this whole WN thing...scary that a college kid with
32 LastBaron : Quoting from elsewhere on this board: To get a snapshot of how the U.S. majors are performing economically, here is a summary of 3Q results that came
33 Kl777jfk : LastBaron, Do you have something aginst American Airlines and United Airlines.... I just replied to you in a forum that blasted AA! What is your probl
34 JumboBumbo : Jacques60... What other's haven't mentioned is that the TSA was created as part of the new Department of Homeland Security implemented after September
35 LastBaron : LastBaron, Do you have something aginst American Airlines and United Airlines.... I just replied to you in a forum that blasted AA! What is your probl
36 Futureualpilot : I feel the majors have lost their right to exist... especially AA and UAL. wwwwwwwwwwwhy? AA and UA have done a great deal to contribute to aviation,
37 ContinentalEWR : No, they do not have my confidence. The current security programs in place are a vast improvement over what we had before 09/11/01 but I have zero con
38 IndustrialPate : UAL ///// Rising..... They are bringing planes into the fleet... not rolling them out of! You really, really don't know what you're talking about. UA
39 Kl777jfk : The sad part about all of this ... is that.... Flight Attendants have nothng to defend themselves with.. what are they to do??? Roll a meal cart down
40 RL757PVD : Alright, Im going to take a stand here and go against the grain. I work airport operations, which requires me to work with the TSA ( screeners and man
41 N757KW : TSA is nothing but show.
42 Futureualpilot : I have to agree with you on that, Ive seen them around the airport too, but still, that guy getting those things aboard the Wn planes is unnerving.
43 Airways6max : Absolutely not. The TSA is a joke and we just saw how a bunch of knives got through security and onto a plane. Our airports feel more and more like pr
44 Jeffrey1970 : LastBaron, you say "Facit: The TSA is a giant abortion and belongs on the scrap heap of history along with the current president." What would you repl
45 Kl777jfk : IndustrialPate/LastBaron, Where have you been all evening??? Lets see... This is a forum to discuss the TSA.... not who should be allowed to fly! Last
46 JBirdAV8r : I have to agree with you on that, Ive seen them around the airport too, but still, that guy getting those things aboard the Wn planes is unnerving. I'
47 Covert : ** T S A ** Do TheyHave Your Confidence? No.
48 Cessna172RG : TSA...ah...ha...haha...hahahaha...buahahahahahahahahaha!!! I think I shall suffocate from laughter (or all the drinks...) Before September 11th, Seatt
49 JGPH1A : As a meek and humble unworthy non-US citizen (and as such automatically a rabid Mao-spouting terror suspect), I have to say the TSA seems pretty arbit
50 Startvalve : No real argument here as far as the TSA being a bunch of losers looking to get gropes and feels in. Hell if it paid better I might take the opportunit
51 Dispatch : I just got back home from a five day trip to LAS (via ORD) and LAX. From AMS I had to pick up my baggage, go through customs and leave the baggage unl
52 Kl777jfk : ..... Shoes??? ..... Luggage?? ..... lets see.... Are you saying that Amsterdam Schipol is an airport with a lack of security? I beg to differ with yo
53 Startvalve : Remember the days when racial profiling had another name.. It was called effective police work. If you see someone wearing a bath towel on his head wi
54 Dispatch : KL777JFK, Are you saying that Amsterdam Schipol is an airport with a lack of security? I beg to differ with you on that subject! I did not have my sho
55 Startvalve : I am amazed you were allowed to take pictures, anymore it seems like plane spotting (or as its known in my family, birding) has become an act of terro
56 United1 : Well no matter what the TSA is a start. Aviation security has come a long way since 9/11 and while its not perfect by any means its much better then w
57 HlywdCatft : I am pissed that my tax dollars are going to these dumbasses making $14 an hour and up, the stupid ass supervisors make $18-20 I hear. They screw up m
58 Startvalve : For every step forward the TSA has taken us they forced 3 steps backwards. There has to be an equilibrium between efficiency of the airline and securi
59 Startvalve : thousands standing around sounds about right
60 BR715-A1-30 : The TSA reminds me of that cartoon show TWO STUPID DOGS.
61 IlikeDash8s : They have about as much of my confidence as any other political organization, which isn't much.
62 AWA22 : "Please refer to the fact that 9/11 was due largely to the fact that Security had not done its job!" Box cutters and small knives were permitted on ai
63 HlywdCatft : **Remember the days when racial profiling had another name.. It was called effective police work. If you see someone wearing a bath towel on his head
64 Startvalve : If you read some of my past posts you will see that people can call me anything they want. I really do not let it bother me. This is a public forum an
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