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What Luxury Product For BA/AF After Concorde?  
User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

What will British Airways and Air France do now that CONCORDE is leaving the fleet?

Are there plans for all Business or First Class Trans-Atlantic?

Are there plans for greater Business/First products?


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User currently offlineJacques60 From France, joined Jul 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

I don't think there is much in the drawers to "replace" Concorde, likeky reason being that it is not mainly a question of classes/luxury etc but a question of speed and crossing time to JFK ! I believe that seating/quality of restaurant...came as a justification of the price to pay for the speed ! Remember that at the start the ticket on Concorde was roughly 20% above First class, obviously in an effort to make money with it.
Now both AF and BA lost the advantage of speed, and any better seat/meal/service on any wide body will not replace it.

User currently offlineMikkel777 From Norway, joined Oct 2002, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

AF ordered A319LR, and it would'nt surprise me much if one of those would enter the CDG-JFK route in the same manner as PrivatAir is operating DUS-EWR.
The oil-cities are probably another target for the 319..

User currently offlineKl777jfk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

The above is very true...

However the Concorde clientele.... will most likely ... NOT... want to jet to London or Paris with 300 people onboard, nor will they want to wait...as everone else to clear Immigration/customs...

Perhaps, we could look at A319LR, 737-700LR, or A330.... doing an all Business or First Class service...

If people want to fly Economy... Pack them into a 747 that holds 490 people!

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Onboard internet connections at every seat, cheaper air to ground telephone services, faxes - essentially flying corporate offices making speed a non-essential.

Remember that the food on Concorde wasnt the draw. First Class meals on the best carriers are served with much more finesse than on Concorde. Concorde guaranteed speed. But now a top corp exec can board a 747 in London, work at his seat, take a nap on a flat bed, and be in touch with his office at all times. Who needs speed when u have connectivity?

User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Easy, either purchase a jet or join a fractional ownership program, such as NetJets. I remember reading once how Warren Buffett was expecting a big growth in business post Concorde. Although the flight time won't be anywhere near the Concordes, the advantages of using airports closer to your home/workplace and not having to get there early to check-in/go through security/wait for baggage will make up for it.


United 717 heavy, you're facing the wrong way. Any chance you can powerback to get off of my deice pad?
User currently offlineCitationX From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Since the advent of fractional ownership of business jets, it is makes more sense for corporations and wealthy celebrities to buy 100 annual hours on a Global Express or G-V than to fly Privatair or a luxury airline like the long-departed MGM Grand Air.

While it may cost more to do the fractional deal, the users get better comfort, higher security, more direct routing, schedule flexibility and shorter total travel times when flying a G-V or Global Express on the "Atlantic Crossing", rather than a modified airliner like the A319 or 737NG, which are not optimally designed for the job.

User currently offlineNitro500 From Australia, joined May 2003, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

I think an on time departure is considered a luxury product nowadays....

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