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WHO Launched The 727?  
User currently offlineUAL777CONTRAIL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

After getting the idea from the "who launched the 767" I was curious to know who launched the 727?
That is one of the old back bones of the industry, a true mule for those airports that didn't get widebodies and to big for props.


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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Hi Contrail, Eastern and United were joint first customers on November 30, 1960, and the first 727-100 entered service with Eastern Airlines on February 9, 1964, one year after it's first flight.

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Yes, it was a joint EA-UA initial order for the 727-100. Eastern did the honors of the first renevue service, as 'AJ' pointed out. United received the first 727s built after flight testing were finished. The first 727 ship N7001U, I think, is in Boeing's Museum of Flight now. Lufthansa, BTW ordered & received the first -QC version. Regards.

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User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2695 times:

Yep, Eastern and United launched the 727-100, with Eastern operating the type first. The 727-200 entered service with Northeast, I just loved that "Yellowbird" yellow and white paint job!

cheers, Ralph

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User currently offlineCOEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2640 times:

This discussion has gotten me thinking...and this may be a dumb question.

when a new model plane is released (ie the 727), is the original model designated the "-100" or does it only take on that designation after another, more advanced, model is in development or on the market?


User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2597 times:

So why does it say that ln 5 B727-022 10/29/63 N7004U (now in NATIONAL AIR & SPACE MUSEUM) was the first Boeing 727 in service March 1964???


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 15252 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2513 times:
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The B-727 never officially had a "-100" designation for the initial model. It was actually just a dash and the carrier's customer designation by Boeing.

So for example, EA's first 727s were designated as B-727-25 aircraft. The subsequent -200 stretch versions were B-727-225 or B-727-225A for the "Advanced" version.

Therefore, calling the initial 727s the "-100" series is inaccurate. People just assume they're a "-100" since the second version was the "-200" series.

By the way, you'll notice that Boeing has begun making all of their "baseline" models of new aircraft the "-200" version with all of their civilian models starting with the introduction of the B-757 and B-767 lines.

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User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1386 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

N7004U was probably the first aircraft in service, while N7001U was the first produced. The prototypes of a type often continue test flying long after the first production models are delivered; for instance, Boeing finally handed over the first 777 to Cathay Pacific on Dec. 6, 2000, more than six years after it first flew.

Boeing tends to call the first member of a family the 7X7-200 if there is a possible future shrink that could take the -100 designation. For example, the 757-200, 767-200, and 777-200 are each the baseline model of their particular family, but Boeing proposed shorter versions of all three. The airlines didn't bite and the shrinks were never launched.


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User currently offlineJustplanesmart From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

"...calling the initial 727s the '-100' series is inaccurate."

Well, EA CO AS, then Boeing does not know their planes like you do. On their website, the first version is referred to as the "-100 series" Check for yourself:

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User currently offlineExnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Boeing started referring to the original 727 as the -100 shortly after the -200 was announced in mid-1965. Officially (what's on the dataplate), most -100s are designated as 727-22, 727-30, 727-25C etc.

Now here is where it gets confusing. New -100s ordered after Boeing announced the -200 are officially designated as 727-1xx. For example, Pan Am ordered 727s for the Berlin IGS in early 1965 which were designated 727-21s. There was a later order for a few QCs which were designated as 727-121Cs Eastern's QCs, despite being built from late '66 to early '68, were still officially 727-25Cs (QC was a marketing designation) because they were ordered prior the original 727 being redesignated as the -100.

American ordered a few additional -100s along with their first -200 order. These are 727-123s. The bulk of AA's huge -100 fleet was ordered in the early '60s and were designated as 727-23s, including those from that order built after the -200 became available.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6544 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

N7004U was indeed the first 727 to enter service, on March 28, 1964 to be specific. And about 65 of the short bodied 727s were officially 727-1xxs. The rest were, as has been stated, 727-0xxs.

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