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ACA Route Map As LCC!  
User currently offlineUN_b732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

http://www.atlanticcoast.com/NonFlash/for_investors_nf/102303acapresentation.pdf
Is shown in this presentation, but where is Burlington?
-UN


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User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Burlington Vermont? ACA already serves that airport as United Express.



User currently offlineUN_b732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Wait..We are talking that this is the route map of WHEN THEY WILL BE A LOW COST CARRIER.
-UN



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User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Yes, I understand that. But I'm simply answering the question you asked above. Btw, you will notice that they are deserting Burlington by 2006, according to the route map.



User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Isn't Burlington a Delta Connection route?

I like the `Questions about Mesa' section.



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User currently offlineAirT85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

So does ACA's agreement with Delta also terminate when they go to the LCC model or are they going to continue operating the 328Jets as Delta Connection?

-Tony

PS-wouldn't that be somewhat competing with themselves? Especially through the CVG hub where I'm sure passengers would connect to other midwestern and western cities which is probably what ACA would want them to do out of their own IAD hub?


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

November 2003 as a brand rollout date? Alrighty then. Some of their projections on 2006 are off, as they use 2002 info on the other LCCs. What like these guys are going to stop growing at their hubs as a result of ACA? OK, you guys need to lay off of the brown acid.

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Man, I dunno..... everything through IAD. Works for people headed to/from the east coast, but what about the rest of us? Do we really need a second "Jet Blue?"

I'd like to see a LCC make a hub with a more central location like IND or STL.



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User currently offlineTriscl From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Reading the presentation it looks as though they're really leaning on the high O&D numbers for DC to sell the idea. I imagine the real route map, should the project actually be born, will eventually have some extra routes independent of IAD. ie, maybe they're being a little bit conservative right now?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7775 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2436 times:

Interesting....

Its about time we saw some real "meat" to ACA's plan.
That presentation, typical of most of them, is filled with a lot of "well...duh" statements, that are pretty broad and spoken by every so-called "analyst" thats ever stepped foot in an airport.

A couple observations.....
-It would appear they will junk the Junkstream's when they become an LCC. All I could tell was they will fly CRJ's and a narrowbody aircraft. Not that losing those props is any real loss.
-I noticed my city, State College, is not on their route map anymore. I'm not surprised, none the least. When I worked for them, everyone was pretty much connecting through IAD to somewhere else, often to the West Coast on United. We couldn't fill the J-41's, there is no way they could fill CRJ's with reduced feed at IAD. I didn't notice but were any other current United Express cities dropped from the proposed route map???
- $79 average fares on RJ flights??? I don't know if that is realistic or not.....


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Burlington VT (BTV) is dropped, and possibly Albany NY. Burlington is interesting, cause LOCO O&D service to IAD is viable..but then again. Most likely US Airways fits the bill for DCA O&D
-UN



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

SFO, LAX, and DEN are up to be launched in 2004! This will be interesting to see when it is launched.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Operating margins in excess of 14% ????
Absolute, pure fiction.
This will never happen.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

The whole "bisness plan" of ACA as LCC flying CRJs is quite a fiction. I believe the will be bankrupt by the end of 2004.

United will have temporary problems but they'll fill the gap finally.

Daniel





User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
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Agreed, Greg... 14% margins while flying such a high percentage of CRJs themselves is a pipe dream if I ever saw one...

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

ACA's plan is very risky but it is not impossible. They will fly in some very competitive markets w/ LCC fares but they will undoubtedly also have some pretty decent revenue markets like BOS and ORD (maybe MDW). Also, RJ's have historically been thought of as not a good aircraft in low fare markets but several carriers (esp. DL) is using them in heavily leisure LCC markets. ex. DL recently announced additional RJ flights from RDU-Florida - proof apparently that RJ's can work in low fare markets.

The bigger threat to all of this is that United may lose IAD as a hub. There is no way IAD can remain a European gateway of the size it is now w/o all of the feed ACA gives them now. And as ACA moves into prime UA longhaul markets, UA's ability to compete will be even greater. The loss of ACA as an EXpress carrier isn't as big of an issue as gaining them as a competitor esp. since ACA ties up many gates UA will need for a new RJ operation.


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4525 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Narrowbody service to SLC by 2006? Big grin

This could be interesting. I wonder whihc narrowbody aircraft ACA will choose? 737NG...or 757? I hope for the latter.

Unless.....Airbus....hope not, for the 757's sake.  Sad

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http://www.atlanticcoast.com/NonFlash/for_investors_nf/102303acapresentation.pdf


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