AirT85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
So does ACA's agreement with Delta also terminate when they go to the LCC model or are they going to continue operating the 328Jets as Delta Connection?
PS-wouldn't that be somewhat competing with themselves? Especially through the CVG hub where I'm sure passengers would connect to other midwestern and western cities which is probably what ACA would want them to do out of their own IAD hub?
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1983 times:
November 2003 as a brand rollout date? Alrighty then. Some of their projections on 2006 are off, as they use 2002 info on the other LCCs. What like these guys are going to stop growing at their hubs as a result of ACA? OK, you guys need to lay off of the brown acid.
Triscl From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1935 times:
Reading the presentation it looks as though they're really leaning on the high O&D numbers for DC to sell the idea. I imagine the real route map, should the project actually be born, will eventually have some extra routes independent of IAD. ie, maybe they're being a little bit conservative right now?
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6874 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
Its about time we saw some real "meat" to ACA's plan.
That presentation, typical of most of them, is filled with a lot of "well...duh" statements, that are pretty broad and spoken by every so-called "analyst" thats ever stepped foot in an airport.
A couple observations.....
-It would appear they will junk the Junkstream's when they become an LCC. All I could tell was they will fly CRJ's and a narrowbody aircraft. Not that losing those props is any real loss.
-I noticed my city, State College, is not on their route map anymore. I'm not surprised, none the least. When I worked for them, everyone was pretty much connecting through IAD to somewhere else, often to the West Coast on United. We couldn't fill the J-41's, there is no way they could fill CRJ's with reduced feed at IAD. I didn't notice but were any other current United Express cities dropped from the proposed route map???
- $79 average fares on RJ flights??? I don't know if that is realistic or not.....
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
ACA's plan is very risky but it is not impossible. They will fly in some very competitive markets w/ LCC fares but they will undoubtedly also have some pretty decent revenue markets like BOS and ORD (maybe MDW). Also, RJ's have historically been thought of as not a good aircraft in low fare markets but several carriers (esp. DL) is using them in heavily leisure LCC markets. ex. DL recently announced additional RJ flights from RDU-Florida - proof apparently that RJ's can work in low fare markets.
The bigger threat to all of this is that United may lose IAD as a hub. There is no way IAD can remain a European gateway of the size it is now w/o all of the feed ACA gives them now. And as ACA moves into prime UA longhaul markets, UA's ability to compete will be even greater. The loss of ACA as an EXpress carrier isn't as big of an issue as gaining them as a competitor esp. since ACA ties up many gates UA will need for a new RJ operation.