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Ever Been Accident During Testing Of New Aircraft?  
User currently offlineRooinc From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

One that put that particular airplane's future in doubt or cancelled the production all together?

--TJ

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User currently offlineTriscl From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

I will call my mother and get the details because I can't remember all of them, but my great uncle died in a crash while test-piloting one of the early X-series aircraft. I believe it was sometime in the early seventies.

It's not a passenger aircraft, but I'm curious now so I am goning to get the rest of the story. I'll let you know...
chris


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6885 times:
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Airbus lost an A330 during Category-3 testing, which caused production delays for Thai and Malaysia.

User currently offlineCitationX From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

While it was not a test, per se, Airbus did have one of its A320 prototypes (in AF colors) crash doing a low pass over a French airport during a demonstration flight prior to the type's entry into revenue service (1987 or 88?). There were some fatalities and the A/C was written off. A news camera took video of the entire sequence of the accident, which has since become stock footage used by nearly every TV program on the subject of air safety.

This was the infamous accident where the fly-by-wire system locked up on the pilots and literally flew the A320 into the ground. Obviously, this accident did not kill the A320 program, but it did delay the plane's entry into service while the cause of the accident was investigated. The cause was eventually traced to a software bug, which was isolated and corrected.


User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

An engine failure on T/O test caused a fatal accident to the 330 in the 1994, onboard there were 2 Alitalia pilot (who died with 5 other persons) to see how the aircraft performed. I don't know though if it brought do a delay in the 330 entry service, that put on hold AZ interest in the aircraft. The name of the pilots can be found on two Alitalia 767 (I-DEIB "Pier Paolo Racchetti" and I-DEIC "Alberto Nassetti").

DaV



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User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Hawker Siddley lost a Trident and BAC a 1-11 during flight testing, both stalling and crashing with the loss of their crews. The lessons learnt solved a problem associated with slow speed stability of T-tail aircraft.

Handley Page lost its prototype Herald on its way to the Farborough airshow, when one RR Dart engine exploded, but the plane was landed safely in a field without loss of life.

The late great, Brian Trubshaw also saved the prototype VC-10 from certain doom when its flying tail jammed and he returned the plane safely to Bristol. Famously he gave the crew the chance to parachute from the aircraft, but they all decided to stay with him!

Finally, I believe that the prototype Britannia suffered a near fatal mid-air engine fire when it was on a test flight over the West country with KLM reps on board. The plane was safely landed on the mud flats of the river seven...but KLM never ordered the Britannia!



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User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

The worst part about that A320 wreck was that it was rather well videotaped and has been played all over the world a thousand times over... Boeing laughed all the way to the bank on that one.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6686 times:
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An engine failure on T/O test caused a fatal accident to the 330 in the 1994, onboard there were 2 Alitalia pilot (who died with 5 other persons) to see how the aircraft performed. I don't know though if it brought do a delay in the 330 entry service, that put on hold AZ interest in the aircraft. The name of the pilots can be found on two Alitalia 767 (I-DEIB "Pier Paolo Racchetti" and I-DEIC "Alberto Nassetti").

It wasn't an engine failure, it was a 1-engine take-off test, with 1 engine disabled for the test.


User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

Shankly...

I don´t recall which version, but I´m almost sure that one Britannia was lost on a very serious accident while returning from a test flight, or was it after take-off?. This was featured on a magazine I once read, but it is a long time ago, so I can't remember the exact data...

Rgds

RS



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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

Dash 80 lost a gear on high speed taxi run...
MD-80 broke it's back on heavy landing...
EMB170 lost a gear on landing...
747 lost a wing gear during taxi or landing (?) screwed up gear, engine, and flabs.

I imagine there were countless others....

Of course those were incidences, not actual 'crashes'


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

MD-80 broke it's back on heavy landing...

I have footage of that!!! I broke its back and lost it's tail during a Autoland test heard it hit at about 1500 plus feet per minute.

The Convair 880 lost 80 percent of it's rudder during high speed flutter tests.
The DC-8 broke it's back during testing.

David
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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

Bombardier lost a CRJ-200 (the first one built as a matter of fact) during flight testing on some performance improvements in 1993 near Byers, KS.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6427 times:
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I believe the 747 incident was the third 747 built, for Pan Am, it was damaged while landing @ RNT! Can you imagine?

User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

An engine failure on T/O test caused a fatal accident to the 330 in the 1994, onboard there were 2 Alitalia pilot (who died with 5 other persons) to see how the aircraft performed. I don't know though if it brought do a delay in the 330 entry service, that put on hold AZ interest in the aircraft. The name of the pilots can be found on two Alitalia 767 (I-DEIB "Pier Paolo Racchetti" and I-DEIC "Alberto Nassetti").

It wasn't an engine failure, it was a 1-engine take-off test, with 1 engine disabled for the test.


My bad English!! I intended that the test involved a simulated 1 engine failure disabling one of the engine, not that occured an engine failure.
Sorry for misunderstanding!

DaV



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User currently offlineLastBaron From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6343 times:

Boeing laughed all the way to the bank on that one.

I doubt it, Boeing doesn't laugh at Airbus much. And the 320 sells quite well, thank you very much. Just like the 747 which losts its "flabs" ( Wink/being sarcastic ) and also a wing... it still sells... this silly "Boeing is superior to Airbus" attitude is juvenile. Both build excellent aircraft. Americans need to learn that "U.S.-made" is no guarantee of success...

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

Bombardier lost a CRJ-200 (the first one built as a matter of fact) during flight testing on some performance improvements in 1993 near Byers, KS

Yes, through no fault of the design (of the airplane)...the test pilot reached to deploy the spin recovery chute while the airplane was in a fully-developed spin and inadvertantly released the chute assembly from the airplane, making recovery impossible.

Man, I'd like to see a 747 landing at RNT....wow.



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User currently offlineMd11lover From Switzerland, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6295 times:



Didnt the DC10 have serious problems when it was first introduced? I think it had already been in service for some time, when repetitive engine loss off the wing caused a fatal accident in Ohare on take off? Had this problem not been dealt with during testing?


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

Concordeski crashed, cancelling the program alltogether! (For the good!)


Simon



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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

Concordeski crashed, cancelling the program alltogether

The TU-144 or the "Concordeski" program did not end because of the 1973 crash. It was in service until about 1978 on the Moscow-Almati route going supersonic over land. I think the TU-144 wasn't successful because Tupolev couldn't follow the plans right, the plans that were stolen from Concorde developers by the KGB.


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User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

There was even an accident with a Boeing 777-200 during testing. I saw this on the Discovery Channel documentary "21th Century Jet".
Something went wrong with the airconditioning I believed, causing decompression in the aircraft with one person injured.
I have these documentaries on tape, but I'm not quite sure what really happened (I have to watch the tapes, there were like 8 episodes) so correct me if I'm wrong or please provide some more information about this incident.
Thanx.

Regards, Doug


[Edited 2003-10-23 23:47:41]

User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3708 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6122 times:
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Brian Trubshaw also saved the prototype VC-10 from certain doom when its flying tail jammed and he returned the plane safely to Bristol

The tail didn't jam, the RH Inbd Elev hinge point attachment failed which caused the control surface to flutter and subsequently the a/c to vibrate violently. Reducing the speed stopped the flutter and Trubshaw got the a/c safely back to Wisley.


User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6029 times:

VC-10, thankyou for correcting my failing memory! Great storey about the bail out though


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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

"Boeing laughed all the way to the bank on that one".

They laughed at people gettin killed,

Sam



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User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

md11lover- The flight out of ORD that your talking about was American Airlines Flight 191. It happend May 25 1979. Everyone on board was gone including 3 on the ground. 278 people lost there lives in that deal. It was caused from the Maintnace guys at AA. They where doing a #1 engine change on the DC-10 and while they where in the middle of the change they mounted the engine on the pylon and didnt fully hang it right before the guys went to lunch. While the guys where on lunch the weight of the engine moved the pylon so much that it crached the hydrolic hose for the outboard slat. The plan was bound for LAX when it took off of 32R out of ORD. The #1 engine fell off the wing on TO. Since the hydrolic hose was broke for the outboard slat once they where deploid in the down position there wasnt any pressure left (from the hydrolic fluids running out) to hold the slat down. Therefore once there was any pressure against the slat it would just retract. When the plane was airborne the slat was pushed back in normal up postion and the left wing didnt have as much lift as the right wing. Once it was about 300ft AGL the left wing dipped and the plane ended up upside down in the ground. There are 2 really good pictures of this bird going down somewhere around here. Someone posted them not to long ago. McDouglas did put and AD out on the DC-10 for them to have some sort of locking pins in the Slats that way it wont retract with out the hydrolics working. I know the inside story behind this accident because my father still works with 2 guys that where working at the AA hangers that day the airplane was getting the engine service done. So really this crash didnt have anything to do with a flight test or anything, just a maintnace error and a design flaw.

User currently offlineMD11Lover From Switzerland, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5885 times:


Bobs89irocz, thank you for your reply, I appreciate it. I had only read a brief article regarding this crash, but now, i know what happened. Was there legal action taken against the AA maintenance crew?

Md11Lover


25 Crosswind : CitationX, The Air France A320 that was written off at Habsheim was being operated on a public transport flight by Air France at the time of the crash
26 Post contains links Crosswind : If anyone is interested, some links to NTSB reports; McDonnell-Douglas MD-80 at Edwards Air Force Base (1980) Heavy Landing http://amelia.db.erau.edu/
27 Rthrbeflying86 : Not quite relevant to the civil aviation forum, the V-22 Osprey (which at one point had potential as a future civil transport) had many incidents. It
28 Post contains links 777-200X : Crosswind The information you provided on the AF A320 crash in Mulhouse is based on the "official accident report". However, it is well documented tha
29 Cospn : AN 70 Twice I belive, hopefully someone has more info...
30 Positive rate : The F-14 Tomcat crashed on it's first test flight. I think the cause was hydraulics failure and the pilots had to eject on final approach whilst the F
31 Post contains links Vain~ : AN 70 Twice I belive, hopefully someone has more info... http://aviation-safety.net/database/type/049.shtml Antonov 70 1st flight: 1994 2 built prod.
32 FLYSSC : The AF A320 that crashed in Habsheim in June 1988 was F-GFKC "Ville d'Amsterdam". It was AF third A320 delivered to th airline 3 days ago. It was not
33 Expratt : AA191 crashed as a result of improper maintenance, but it wasn't quite as described by Bobs89irocz. American installed the engine and pylon as a combi
34 Crosswind : 777-200X, Those arguments are all over the place, and the conclusions drawn are not logical. For example: In fact both the engines and the altimetric
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