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Branson Success With Concorde?  
User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

It is very sad to see the Concorde disappearing from the skies - I personally only saw it once on approach into SYD some years ago. What a beautiful plane.....

As everyone knows Richard Branson tried to keep the Concorde flying but do you think it would have been a success - or was it just a publicity stunt?

IMO the demand for the Concorde finished after the first big slump in airtravel in 2001. BA and AF were loosing big money on the flights with few passengers flying. And what's a couple of extra hours anyway when you can save big money - even in first class.

So would Sir Richard been able to make money on the Concorde? I think not!

Anyone else??


Dunbar Rovers forever
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User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Branson was live on TV a few hours ago and he said he wants to get people from various companies all around a table and simply discuss it. Meanwhile, live on BBC1, Rod Eddington has said that it just wouldn't happen. Branson said he could make money out of it... let's hope Branson might do what he said he wants to do Big thumbs up

Josh


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Neither the manufacturers nor the airworthiness authorities would allow VS to operate Concorde, they know the experience, infrastructure and the rest was with two operators, BA and AF.
He could not afford it either, if Airbus and BA cannot, he can't.
He was told this 5 months ago, so maybe all his noise since is just some kind of attention deficit disorder.


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Let's face it: The cabin of the Concorde is too small to make money.

The aircraft never really operated at anything that could truely be called "profitability". Even an LCC-like operation such as VS couldn't make money at it. It's simply too much aircraft for too few passengers.

Maybe Fed Ex could do it... "Deliver your package to London in six hours or less!"



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

How are you feeling today GDB? You worked on the old girl all that time, it must be rather emotional watching everything come to an end.


She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

The aircraft never really operated at anything that could truely be called "profitability". Even an LCC-like operation such as VS couldn't make money at it.

I don't understand this sentence. Could you clarify what you meant about VS??

N


User currently offlineJohn g From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

In re: the supersonic package idea, I think FedEx or another similar company had that idea back in the Eighties - a "Supersonic Letter" service based upon a constantly-cycling pair of Condcordes between JFK-SNN; it never came to anything.

In re: the Branson idea I think he intended a two-class service on Concorde, with the "upper" higher than current fare and the "lower" slightly below. The basic problems of spares supply, etc. would still have applied.

One thing we've not heard, extent to which BA staff were used to fill out the load factors - a senior BA person told me up to 1/4 of pax on any given Concorde flight were BA senior people.


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

But there's still hope. Sky News said today that BA ARE keeping one Concorde operational for air shows and fly-bys.

DC-10


User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Hmm... Rod Eddington said this morning that they'd be deciding what to do with the aircraft in the next 2 weeks, so it sounds like nothing is confirmed yet.

Josh


User currently offlineJU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

I think that Branson is and was blowing hot air for the media. It is basically an inexpensive campaign on his part to show the opulent travelers, that he has their best interests at mind. Think of it as a subliminal message - if you prefer traveling in style, why not try Virgin?

The attractive thing about the plane was its impressive speed. However, I am sure the level of comfort cannot compare with first class cabins of most other wide body aircraft. The cabin is narrow, seats are smaller, leg room less, cabin louder, windows smaller, etc. Not to mention that the Concorde had a very limited market, serving only a handful of destinations.

It was a great plane. I had the pleasure of being next to the British Airways Concorde back in 1997. It always attracted many aviation enthusiasts. I am sure it will be missed.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

I had access to Concorde pax lists between 1997 and 2000 and NEVER saw any flight where anywhere near 25% of pax were staff.
10% at the very most.
Losing some 80 regular pax in the WTC was a blow.
So what about it being 'cramped', you need more room on a subsonic as you were on it for much longer!
I've shown many people over the aircraft, most were surprised that it was roomier than they thought, or were told.



User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Let's face it: The cabin of the Concorde is too small to make money.

The aircraft never really operated at anything that could truely be called "profitability". Even an LCC-like operation such as VS couldn't make money at it. It's simply too much aircraft for too few passengers

I'm sure that would be news to BA especially in the 80s to mid 90s!


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2470 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

I didn't consider the Concorde cabin cramped, just a bit cozy, though a 5', 9 1/2", my head's not exactly in the clouds. The infamous radio DJ, Howard Stern, said this morning he was very constrained in the cabin when he flew the SST as part of Paramount's promotional junket for his 1997 movie, "Private Parts" but at 6', 5", it's easy to see he'd have a problem on a lot of airplanes. I didn't find it noisy, either, though I haven't yet flown the quietest airplanes in the sky. It was way roomier and quieter than the Embraer RJ-145 I just flew out to Minnesota but that's not the best comparison. I just can't buy all of this Branson bravado, he's just beating a dead horse he didn't really want to ride, anyway. As GDB constantly reminds us, the numbers consistently show it would be infeasible for VS to put together a viable Concorde operation. It's value to Branson is and has always been the free publicity his hoopla over the SST has gotten for his airline, there couldn't have been any real intent to take over supersonic service. But let SRB keep playing his wily little games, if nothing else, they provide amusing fodder for this forum!  Laugh out loud

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