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Air France Pilot Arrested In New York  
User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11345 times:
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Just heard on WCBS -- local CBS station -- that the pilot of Air France 023 was arrested at JFK Airport by Port Authority of New York and New Jersey police. Does anyone know about this?

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11268 times:

Well, to start with: he was frenchman in US........
*just my 2 öre*
 Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineFLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11199 times:

AGAIN... ? if true...this is getting a bit boring...  Sad

AF023 JFK-CDG tonight is cancelled.


User currently offlineChrisdigo From Sweden, joined Oct 2003, 181 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

Is he the one that made a bomb joke at the security gate ?

Chris


User currently offlineFLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11158 times:

AGAIN ... ?  Wow! what did he do this time ? tried to hide a corkscrew in his pocket ?

If true...this is getting really boring...  Sad


AF023 is cancelled tonight.


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2325 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11142 times:

Come on Solnabo...

There is a reason I'm sure...Crewmembers have been known to: Be under the influence, illegal drug trafficking and abusive behavior...They are after all human you know...

Air France serves many routes to the US so the feds would have one heck of a time arresting crewmembers and tourists, if it was the Frenchman in the US story...

Det var så mine 10 øre!

Boaz...



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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 10905 times:

AF023 JFK-CDG tonight is cancelled.

I think that's a little illegal to fly a commercial airplane with one pilot arrested... Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10757 times:

This is absurd-this is the second arrest of an Air France pilot within a short period of time. Does anyone know what the reason for arrest was of yet?

If this keeps up, France could seriously face being relegated to Category 2.

-WGW2707


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

WGW2707,

If this keeps up, France could seriously face being relegated to Category 2.

What in the world are you talking about? That's never going to happen. We have unruly pilots in the USA and they haven't done anything to us yet.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10658 times:

JBirdAV8r,

What in the world are you talking about? That's never going to happen. We have unruly pilots in the USA and they haven't done anything to us yet.

I think he was kidding...  Smile

-Derek


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

UnitedFirst,

That may be....but he's said some pretty outlandish stuff before.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10618 times:

The pilot made inapropriate comments about his bag exploding during sceening, after he was cleared through the TSA screeners notified the Port Authority Police who boarded his flight and escorted him off for questioning.

He was released, no charges were filed but the flight was cancelled.

Somone should tell these AF pilots to keep their mouths shut, this is the second such incident in the last couple months.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_102403_pilot.html



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User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 10500 times:

JBirdAV8r, do you seriously think that I would actually believe that there would exist a strong possiblity of France being relegated to Category 2 status? It was of course rhetorical statement.

That said, some suprising and much-disputed placements into Category 2 have occured. Argentina, for instance, is in Category 2 largely for political reasons, as it is highly improbable that Aerolineas Argentinas is in terms of safety behind the US majors, in fact, I would feel more comfortable on them than I would on some of the US LCCs and charter operations whose names I shall not disclose for obvious reasons... Two other prominent countries on the Category 2 list are Poland (the inclusion of Poland on the list in my opinion is rather bizarre considering it's a well-run, safe, profitable country rapidly modernizing and generally Westernized) and Greece (this is a more understandable inclusion given the reported lax security at ATH). If France were to be put on the Category 2 list for political reasons, given these notable other members of what one unfortunately might think of as the "Second Rate Club" it would not suprise me.

I do think that Air France definitely needs to instruct their pilots on proper ettiquete at the security checkpoint. It almost seems as though they're itching for a fight, for some issue that will enable them to crusade against the US aviation regulators.....

One other note-I recognize I have made some statements in my post of an unconventional (ok...outlandish) nature, but as daring as these statements may be, I stand beside them and can assure you that proper research was made before I issued them. In 1965, the suggestion of starting an LCC would have seemed downright nutty to most airline business experts.

-WGW2707


User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 10416 times:

Dear WGW2707 -
xxx
Your comments about Aerolineas Argentinas relegated to Category 2 status are much appreciated. I head their 747 flight crew training, and since I was an American citizen (and former PanAm pilot until 1991), I also act as liaison with the FAA in the matters of regaining a Category 1 status. Indeed, there are some "political aspects" as to the reason we are presently Category 2. Sales representatives, from Boeing, have been trying hard to sell us some newer 747 or 777 equipment, and lure us away from similar efforts by Airbus. Having hosted the Boeing team visiting Argentina, with the assistance of many bottles of wine for dinner, the Boeing people admitted that an order for new Boeings would definitely be considered as a valid point in our fitness to regain Category 1 status... I also get that feeling with my dealings with the higher levels of the FAA representatives in Washington DC...
xxx
Happy contrails  Smile
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 10291 times:

It isn't necessary for a pilot to make such comments. They are highly inappropriate in any airport, be it JFK, YUL, SYD or CDG. I'm glad he was taught a lesson.


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User currently offlineFLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 10251 times:

Once again... Welcome to the Fascist States of America...!

They should first try to find what's wrong with their security system before putting a blame on a Pilot's joke... when you know the poor security degree of some US airports. Theses "security" check for the Crews are unusefull, inefficient, and humiliating.
I am glad not to fly to the US anymore and not ready to fly there again !


User currently offlineUAL777CONTRAIL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 10202 times:

FLYSCC,
These pilots whine about how security sucks and in the mean time they want their airplanes safe?
They need to shut their mouths and get through security. How hard would it be for a French man to shut his pie hole and get through security, oh, wait that was hard, sorry.

Here is a joke, what is the difference between God and a pilot? God knows he's not a pilot. nuff said.


UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

OK, here we go.

First of all, in my opinion, pilots should not be required to pass through metal detectors or have their bags scanned, as they already posess control of the most sought after weapon-the airliner itself. Instead, I think a brief pre-flight "interview" conducted in a polite manner, or some form of identity verification/health check would be preferrable. Pilots do need to go through a security proceedure before taking command-however in my opinion their security proceedure should neccessarily be different from the main passenger proceedure. I have every confidence that the TSA will develop an advanced pilot screening proceedure before too long.

In either case, either with the current screening or the more sophisticated screening I have proposed, a pilot making an inappropriate remark should not be permitted to fly. You don't know what's in the minds of pilots who do this. What would it take to drive a pilot over the edge? These inappropriate remarks have got to stop! I don't care whether the pilots who make the remarks are from the Republic of France, the United States of America or the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg-no one who makes those remarks should be permitted to fly an aircraft. The pyschological conditions that would cause a person to make such remarks lead to speculation as to other motives, stress related problems or in general, a state of mind in which the pilot would pose a risk.

B747Skipper, corrupt occurances like this have happened before and will happen again in the US aviation industry. It is unfortunate, and I am sure the USA is not the only country to have these problems. I personally am in favor of abolishing the dual-category system and instead viewing each airline as a seperate entity. For instance, you could have a country with two major airlines, one of which is doing well and has a strong maintenance program and is a really capable, competent organization, a model of operating efficiency, and another airline that has a record of deferred maintenance, unhappy staff, a bad financial position, a strong debt load, and has had a large number of accidents and mechanical failures recently. Obviously, it makes sense to let the first airline fly to the USA while denying the privilege to the second. When a foreign airline wishes to start service to the USA, therefore, in my opinion a safety review (paid for by the airline in question in entirety) would have to be performed, followed by additional inspections (also paid for). This is the best way to validate the safety of an airline.

Until such a system is adopted, I am very sympathetic to any airline which could be the victim of corruption, and the unfortunate impression given by the Boeing staff seem to be rather discouraging (although I would not be suprised to hear of Airbus salesmen engaging in similiar pressure tactics, afterall, business is often unfortunately business).

-WGW2707


User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 10113 times:
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Chrisdigo:

Alllrighty then space ranger. Apparently, you havent heard of all the WHITE AMERICAN pilots who have been busted for similar comments?

This isnt a race issue...too bad the simple try to project everything as such.

If anybody went to any big international airport worldwide and spoke similar words, they'd get their asses kicked too. THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO THE USA.



Cory Crabtree - crab453 - Indianapolis - 2R2 - 1966 PA-32-260
User currently offlineA340pilot From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 10059 times:

AF Pilot arrested for making a bad comment............

WN passenger places bags with knives and bleach on 5 planes..........

Which one should receive more attention by security? In my opinion it would be the WN passenger placing bags on 5 airplanes! The security needs to set its priority list!


Best regards,
a340pilot



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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

How stupid can someone be, to make these remarks. I'm pretty sure AF has given some advise to their crews after the incident some weeks ago.
So again, to again make such a remark at the same very same airport is nothing but stupid. Of course you can discuss the necessity of crews being searched but as long as the rules are there you should comply with them.
Remarks about fascism in this context disqualify the author (IMO).


User currently offlineFLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 9969 times:

A340Pilot, you are absolutely right...

But it's much easier to arrest a Pilot for a bad joke : It makes big news and pleases the crowd... ( especially an AF pilot in the US )

When you pretend to rule the world and give lessons to everybody, it's much harder to reconsider your system and procedures, and admit security failure and dysfonction...


Do you really think that, today, a potential terrorist would try to board a plane through the normal passenger path ???? While it is SO EASY to reach an a/c parked on the tarmac from outside, and this is true on most airport in the world... ( remember the team of journalists would boarded a BA 747 at LHR few years ago, and made big feast on board during half the night ? )


User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 9861 times:

This was one funny joke, Mr. Pilot! Let's see, if You're still laughing, when someone indeed brings a bomb into Your AC, You could invite him to the cockpit for a beer and talk about Your bomb-smuggling-experiences!

Stupid enough, when idiotic pax make these jokes during sceurity check. The security station tries to grant Your own security, You shouldn't try to make these efforts look ridicoulous. Apart from that, an adult man, especially someone with enough brain and mind for flying should be too old and reasonable for this stupid nonsense. Take him away for some minutes, let him feel the pressure of his company when a transatlantic is cancelled, maybe it helps. Oh, do that with all pilots, no matter where they come from.

Actually, when thinking about it - maybe the arrest was a freaking funny joke as well and the pilot just doesn't have any sense of humor...



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User currently offlineKlik From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 9576 times:

WGW2707 wrote:

Greece (this is a more understandable inclusion given the reported lax security at ATH).

... have you been to ATH? One feels much more secure flying through there than many US airports...

klik


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8094 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

Are the French people of this forum seriously as ignorant as they sound? You guys have got to be kidding! Just because he was French, you say? Wow....

Air France pilots need to keep their mouths shut just like every single other pilot and passenger in the US, then they'd be alright.



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25 EWRvirgin : Once again... Welcome to the Fascist States of America...! They should first try to find what's wrong with their security system before putting a blam
26 9V-SPF : This isn´t about the use and the quality of security controls at US airports. That pilot (and I don´t care if he was french, american, japanese or a
27 Marco : AMERICA freedom of speech!!! bla bla bla YEAH RIGHT. But just because he was French he got in some trouble. Talk about French bashing!!! If you're not
28 Lamyl_hhlco : I have a question though, do the crew members in France or Europe have the same security check and screening as in the US or are they all allowed to g
29 B777FA : FLYSSC, Do you think that if he had made the comment in the UK at a security checkpoint that they would have all laughed along with him and said "On y
30 Teva : Yes, such comment can be considered as stupid. But when you are subject to HARASSMENT by TSA , sometimes, you stupidely loose control. After the first
31 Chrisdigo : Accidentaly: you havent heard of all the WHITE AMERICAN pilots who have been busted for similar comments? Well that's funny but no I didn't. I'm serio
32 Luv2fly : # # # # # # [Edited 2003-10-25 19:28:16]
33 Marco : Luv2fly, I guess he's never heard of the saying: Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Chris I can't believe you're condoning this behavior. This is a p
34 Marco : And the same applies for any other pilots/cabin crew; French, African, Russian, Chinese, etc...you have to respect certain laws and sensitivities.
35 B777FA : What's so amazing about 2 AF pilots getting busted for making stupid comments??? Just because they are French...Haven't you seen the signs just before
36 Lamyl_hhlco : "New York-AP0 -- An Air France has been released after being held for suspicious remarks as his baggage was being screened at Kennedy Airport in New y
37 Dirkou : I don't know yet...What happened in that Brazza flight?
38 ILoveORD : I can't believe people are actually defeding the frenchman; is it so obvious the AF pilot was an idiot to make such a comment- why would ANY pilot mak
39 Skymileman : FlySSC, Do you suppose that you are sticking up for the french pilot because you are a french person yourself? Probably. Just typical french, thinking
40 BY188B : What happened to professionalism?
41 Lamyl_hhlco : About the Brazzaville Flight..few hours after take off the AF pilot got a warning from the Brazza Tower that they might suspect someone lodged in the
42 Rickb : Whilst the AF pilot was out of order making the joke - if it was so serious - why the hell did the TSA let him continue to his aircraft and then compl
43 ILoveORD : "if it was so serious - why the hell did the TSA let him continue to his aircraft and then complain to the authorities afterwards - thats what the BS
44 Donder10 : They gave some kind of excuses as the pilot couldn't deroute from it's flight because he cannot land anywhere in Africa at night or something like tha
45 Rickb : ILoveORD - I am definately not defending the AF pilot - deserves what he gets - but the fact that they let him continue is worrying - they should of c
46 UAL777CONTRAIL : For a group of people who are suppose to be so smart they make the biggest mistakes. you would think that making 6 figures and traveling the world wou
47 AF Cabin Crew : I have to say something !!! Serves him right ! I have had enough of these idiots making remarks and comments, I mean, they believe they are smart and
48 Jeffrey1970 : FLYSSC, As an airline pilot, would you feel it is ok if a passenger started making smart ass comments about having a bomb aboard your airplane? or wou
49 Rickb : Jeff, Anyone making comments like this should be investigated and dealt with appropriately - what shouldn't happen is that the person is allowed to ca
50 Jeffrey1970 : RickB, I do agree with you. When a person makes a comment like that they do need to be checked out immediatly and arrested. What surprised me though i
51 Lamyl_hhlco : for the brazza case, the pilot could have returned to it's departing point or land anywhere in Algeria, Tunisia on their way to Paris. that's not a go
52 EWRvirgin : Anyone making comments like this should be investigated and dealt with appropriately - what shouldn't happen is that the person is allowed to carry on
53 Cancidas : i think the pilot was a fucking moron for saying anything to the effect of having an exploding bag.... but i am left to wonder how much of it is the d
54 Rickb : EWRVirgin - I know the pilot was detained but he shouldn't of made it on to the plane - it should of been dealt with at security - including the arres
55 Nudelhirsch : It's a simple thing - number one does his job and number two does his. let's not interfere... I cannot imagine a pilot, who would laugh his ass off, w
56 Post contains images Marco : So - let security guys handle security, they let you handle flying, everyone is happy, AF doesn't get ambarassed, and 'whoop' we live on a much better
57 Nudelhirsch : Gotta love German efficiency well, it's not state of the art though, but can actually sometimes simply help out. understanding and respecting both sid
58 Chrisdigo : I was requesting some links about similar events with other "WHITE AMERICAN pilots". Because seriously I've never heard about it. Instead I get some F
59 ILoveORD : "AMERICA freedom of speech!!! bla bla bla YEAH RIGHT. But just because he was French he got in some trouble. Talk about French bashing!!! If you're no
60 Post contains links and images Chrisdigo : ILoveORD: What I wrote above were just remarks. And I'll explain myself below. You mention: Former French colonies Irak War II You seem angry with the
61 Csavel : Chrisdigo, It is probable that there is some resentment from US governent agency personnel at airports becaue of the row between the US and France BUT
62 HlywdCatft : **Once again... Welcome to the Fascist States of America...! They should first try to find what's wrong with their security system before putting a bl
63 HlywdCatft : WAH WAH WAH French bashing You French have been doing it to Americans, British and Italians in your country for many years, being rude to us for simpl
64 Accidentally : This is what I have on my computer..heading out with no time to look. Pilot Could Face Charges for Comments The Associated Press Sunday, January 13, 2
65 Stratofish : I find it highly disturbing that someone can be arrested and face charges for "inappropriate" comments. Especialy in a (any) country that claims to ha
66 JAL777 : I find it highly disturbing that someone can be arrested and face charges for "inappropriate" comments. Especialy in a (any) country that claims to ha
67 HlywdCatft : I don't know if the French pilot said "I have a bomb in my bag HAHAHAHAHA" or if he made a subtle joke, or if he made a comment because he was pissed
68 767Lover : In almost 70 posts, no one has mentioned another angle: liability. After 9/11 a lot of people got into an uproar saying that the U.S. had received thr
69 Luv2fly : 767Lover I almost posted the same topic today. It is true we now have to act as if each and every threat, no matter how stupid is fact and act accordi
70 HlywdCatft : Now this is weird coming from me because you know of my "love" for the TSA. They had every right to do what they did. It makes a hell of a lot more se
71 DALelite : i do understand the pilots remark... i have been taken out for questioning , jail, x-raying and so on. the answer for i was given, was that i am a dru
72 Magyar : Why on the Earth someone with a bomb and intention to commit terrorism would say to the TSA that I have a bomb in my bag? Life is not that easy, I bet
73 CRJmx : I'm not going to get into my feelings on the French, the TSA, or anything like that. But, why say anything to anybody while you are going through secu
74 PHX-LJU : HlywdCatft wrote: "...so I think that a professional pilot should know the same especially when people now are afraid to fly and U.S. has had some str
75 Post contains links PHX-LJU : And a P.S. to my point about the "rude French": Check out http://www.ricksteves.com/graffiti/graffiti48.html for reports by Americans visiting France
76 Post contains images Leviticus : Alright... Apart from all the namecallings and the France-Usa struggle, does ANYBODY actually have relevant information about what REALLY happened the
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