PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6875 posts, RR: 29 Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2233 times:
That would be the only thing, but it sure seems like a long shot.
We all know that NW is debating the whole Mesaba ARJ issue.
They stated they will take bids to replace that flying.
The decision date is Dec. 15, 2003 with a contract termination of April 25, 2004.
Here is NW options in the most likely order:
1) NW gets rid of ARJ's, uses Pinnacle CRJ's/NW mainline DC-9 equipment to pick up the slack in the network
2) NW keeps ARJ (using this whole issue as a ploy against Mesaba pilots and to force a contract settlement)
3) NW brings in another regional provider to pick up the feed lost by the ARJ's
Theoretically, NW will have enough capacity with enough CRJ deliveries and spare -9's to replace the ARJ routes by next Spring if they see fit. There are still an awful lot of CRJ's to be delivered, a lot of Saab routes that can't support CRJ's, and the -9 fleet will basically go unchanged through 2004.
(Remember the XJ Saab contract is unaffected by all of this)
Bringing in another regional provider?? Maybe, but Skywest doesn't do anything anywhere close to NW's hubs in DTW, MSP, and MEM. Do they have aircraft to bring to the table? I'm sure its a smart move for senior management to jump at the opportunity for additional flying.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2076 times:
It could very well be the new code share that DL has with CO & NW. However, I think some of the Majors are looking at what happened in CVG when Comair put on that "strike" production a few years back. It bottlenecked, and caused a huge problem for DL. (notice how DL now has other Connection Cariers opeating in some of the same markets---SLC has SkyWest, ASA & Comair) CVG now has Comair-ASA , ACA operating in the same markets)
UA has Skywest & Mesa or AIRWIS operating in the same markets.
I think NW is looking at the labor unrest at Mesaba, and is adopting some of these same ideas from other carriers. I guess you'd call it lets not put all our eggs in one basket, cause if the basket is dropped, we feel it big time.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6875 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1975 times:
NW already has themselves covered, thats why they have both Mesaba and Pinnacle. You could argue that right now NW is putting all its eggs in one basket with Pinnacle, look who's getting all the CRJ's...
Geg2rap From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 838 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1907 times:
Hey if they give the lowest bid I wouldn't be suprised, DL can't seem to get enough of them nor UA, NW would be the next step,
plus they would share some routes so skywest employees could work dl ua and nw flights and save $$$ for skywest
we will see thought ACA needs some work and mesaba has a contract where they can't fly for anyone else but NW right?
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1895 times:
Geg2rap- Thats is right, Mesaba cannot fly for anyone else due to the constraints of their contract with NW. BUT-->they also own BigSky out in Montana so maybe they will pull something out of the hat there.
On the other hand, I do believe SkyWest is in talks with NW right now, and they are known to accumulate aircraft and get to work FAST. When they did the replacement for Westair-Mesa over in California & Washington & Oregon
they did that so unusally fast and with such flare, I think they could pull off almost any act with NW.
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 563 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1827 times:
I think that NW will look at a bunch of airlines. I think that Horizon, SkyWest, Mesa, ACA, Big Sky and others are in the game. It depends on aircraft type and if Mesaba can get their issues fixed. CRJ-700's or Q400's work well for Horizon. CRJ-200 work well for everyone else. I think NW is interested in adding a 3rd carrier (Sorry PSU). Hopefully just expanding the NW Airlink reach and not cutting any carrier's growth. But I still think the SkyWest thing right now is the NW code on DL flights out of SLC/DFW. We will see. The Mesaba thing is interesting to say the least.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6365 posts, RR: 34 Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
It certainly wouldn't surprise me to see SkyWest picking up some of NW's feed -- ExpressJet/CO probably still has a good number of EMB-120's which they'd be happy to sell to SkyWest, and SkyWest will likely have a good number of EMB-120's in its existing fleet which have been or will be replaced by CRJ's flying for United Express and Delta Connection.
OO managed to ramp up its CO Connection service from IAH very quickly, they've got CRJ-700's on order which could be used to replace the Mesaba Avro's (assuming that NWA got the OK from its pilots), and the EMB-120's would be a good match in size for the Saabs.
It doesn't hurt either that SkyWest runs an excellent operation. Actually, I once speculated that DL, NW, and CO would get together on codeshare regional service from LAX/SFO/SAN with OO. Certainly that would be preferable to sending their passengers over to the competition (AA Eagle), but it may not be possible depending on OO's contract with UA.
9ETRNG From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 31 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1789 times:
As of right now, there will NOT be any new Airlink carriers for several reasons.
1. Due to contracts in place with mainline pilots, there can only be two Airlink carriers. They also at this time, HAVE to be Pinnacle, and Mesaba as stated directly in the contract.
2. There will/CANNOT be a new aircraft type due to union contracts with mainline pilots. The only jet aircraft Airlink carriers can primarily take delivery of from now on are CRJ 440LR's. The only carrier in the world with these on order is 9E/Pinnacle.
9ETRNG From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 31 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1728 times:
Don't think so,
On a related note though, just out of curiosity Sun Valley, where did you here NW was looking for another Airlink carrier? You obviously don't fly within the Northwest family. As this is what was told to ALL current mainline and Airlink pilots.
I'm guessing Sky West, as that is the carrier who started the rumor three weeks ago.
Ah414211 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 207 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 1692 times:
I think this article started the speculation--
Mesaba says Northwest seeks to terminate jet deal
Tue October 7, 2003 07:43 PM ET
LOS ANGELES, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Regional airline Mesaba Aviation Inc., a unit of MAIR Holdings Inc. (MAIR.O: Quote, Profile, Research) , said on Tuesday that Northwest Airlines Corp. (NWAC.O: Quote, Profile, Research) is considering exercising its right to terminate an agreement under which Mesaba leases and operates 36 jet aircraft.
Under a 1996 agreement governing the Avro RJ85 fleet, Northwest may terminate the deal by notifying Mesaba on or before Oct. 28. At Mesaba's request, the two companies have agreed to extend the termination notice period to Dec. 15.
If Northwest provides notice of early termination, the regional jet services agreement would end as of April 25, 2004, Mesaba said. The companies have already agreed to remove five of the 36 aircraft from service.
The company said a separate agreement governing its Saab SF340 turbo-prop aircraft remains intact.
Dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 808 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 1688 times:
It is possible. There is nothing saying that Skywest has to operate all connectung flights to salt lake city. The could easily rotate crews and planes into MSP and MEM. There a much admired carrier, and diffently better to do business w/ than those arrogant Mesaba pilots.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6875 posts, RR: 29 Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1657 times:
I'm telling you this are all a bunch of false rumors that people have interepted by misreading information.
NW is not actively looking for another Airlink partner. There are many specifics stated within the NW mainline contract only allowing Pinnacle and Mesaba. Everyone's going crazy cuz NW is pulling a stunt about possibly dropping Mesaba's Arvo service. If NW does they could easily pick up the backlog of service with the DC-9's and CRJ's. NW is taking delivery of 2 CRJ's per month through 2005. There could easily be enough capacity to make up for the ARJ's.
Now, if NW is taking delivery of 30 some more CRJ's
(allocated for Pinnacle), why on earth would NW be looking for ANOTHER provider????? Its not like they are looking for more aircraft, they have plenty. NW maintains the leases on all of Pinnacle's CRJ's and also is using them as a pension fund.
People are ignoring the facts here
1) Mesaba's Saab contract isn't going anywhere, it is unaffected by all of this.
No, Skywest isn't going to come in and start flying EMB-120's, NW doesn't need anymore props.
2) Horizon, that is some goofy, airliners.net rumor that has been conjured up by a few individuals. Sorry but NW has no interest in flying large props (Q400's)
3) Mesaba Airlines is the ONLY airlink partner allowed to operate aircraft greater than 50 seats, and only 36 of such variety, as stated in the NW pilots contract. That kind of blows the whole Skywest CRJ-700 picture down.
4) Pinnacle has got more than enough CRJ's on the way, they don't need the feed of another partner.
Its more than likely the whole NW/CO/DL codeshare taking form, as flights out of SLC will now start carrying the NW code.
25 BoingGoingGone: Word I have is that SkyWest will make a decision soon on the purchase of Express Jet from CO. If that doesn' go through, then maybe they pick up some
26 SunValley: Yes, and the word on the street is that it will be a DL/CO/NW designated flight, but will replace AIRLINK. The way around this tight contract that Mes
27 9ETRNG: And those in the KNOW would be who? Or should I assume SunValley you THINK you are. Kinda of a modest guy aren't ya?
28 Geg2rap: Sunvalley I assume you are talking about the mesaba flights, what would they be on crj-200? or 700? do you know anything about the previous comment on
29 RB211: If that were true, what would happen to their relationship with Delta?
30 SunValley: Geg2Rap, as I understand it, it is the Express Jet services of CO that SkyWest has been seriously taking into consideration. SkyWest practically owns
31 WorldTraveler: NW has got to be realizing that they are at a severe disadvantage by flying so few RJ's while CO and DL both have enormous fleets and considerable fle