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Runway Length For Fully Laden 767  
User currently offlineRyder10uk From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

Does anyone know how much runway lengh a fully laden 767-300ER needs for safe takeoff????

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User currently offlineNikibary From United States of America, joined May 2003, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8072 times:

I dont know the answer but im sure it depends a lot on the weather

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

It really depends on the length of the flight, load of the aircraft, and the weather conditions.

For instance, I've been on a fully loaded Delta 767-300ER from MSY to ATL....all 252 seats occupied...but becuase the flight is only about an hour in length, and the fuel required is minimal, the aircraft used only around 4000ft. of runway. It was an extremely impressive takeoff to say the least.


Steve in MSY


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2642 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7954 times:

Just to give you an idea of how weather can affect the performance of an aircraft:

A fully laden B752 has difficulty taking off from YMX (12000ft runways) in very hot and humid days, where the temperature is around 35-40 Celsius and there is 80-100% humidity in the air! Obviously the colder and dryer it is, the less runway length airplanes need to takeoff.

TheNoFlyZone



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

A fully laden B752 has difficulty taking off from YMX (12000ft runways) in very hot and humid days

I find that rather difficult to believe as we're a heck of a lot more hot n' humid down here, but often run/ran fully laden 752s and 753s to LAX/SFO/LAS/EWR/IAH off of a 6900' runway, with room to spare.....


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7812 times:

"A fully laden B752 has difficulty taking off from YMX (12000ft runways) in very hot and humid days, where the temperature is around 35-40 Celsius and there is 80-100% humidity in the air! Obviously the colder and dryer it is, the less runway length airplanes need to takeoff."





User currently offlineRyder10uk From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

just normal conditions then could a fully fuelled pax and cargo 767 lift off from 7000ft???

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7721 times:
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I can't check the exact figure at the moment, but at MTOW in ISA conditions a B767-300ER with CF6-B7 engines would require a TODA in the region of 8500ft.

At MTOW - no chance off a 7000ft runway, you'll be tech stopping.

In the UK airfields like Cardiff (7848ft rwy), Newcastle (7641ft rwy), and Birmingham (8546ft rwy) are performance limiting for B767 long-haul operations, the latter obviously less so.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

you have a daily arrival and departure of a DAL 764 at LGA, as well as 763s and 762s. all are able to take off and land in less than 7000 feet--thats about as much runway as LGA can give.


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User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

I would bet good money that altitude is a major factor in the answer to that question.

User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7646 times:

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/acaps/7672sec3.pdf

See page 22 of the PDF. At MTOW, sea level, and ISA, a 767-300ER needs just shy of 9,000 feet of runway. At 2,000 feet altitude, that increases to about 10,500 feet.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2642 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

The fact of the matter is that it happened in YMX, with a B752 headed to Europe, which used the entire runway to takeoff (12000ft). Now call it what you will, and believe it or not, but it happened!

Although there are so many factors that can explain that event:

-Not enough headwind during takeoff
-Too much tailwind component during takeoff (happens sometimes in YMX, since pilots prefer to takeoff from certains runways to save taxi time, and because the airport is so big!)
-Pilot judgement error
-Runway steepness
-Humidity
-Altitude of the airport
-Temperature
-TOW of the aircraft

And ConcordeBoy, a B757 or B767 that takesoff from 6900ft of runway during a hot n humid day, you can bet is not fully laden, that's for sure! Either that, or there had to be a strong headwind during takeoff!

As for you, LOT767-300ER, constructive criticism please!..If you have a clue what it means!

TheNoFlyZone

[Edited 2003-10-26 01:37:43]


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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

I've seen AA 763ER's use close to 10,500 feet at DFW on the DFW-SCL route, it was August around 9 p.m.
It used a ton of runway, it was real cool.



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7455 times:

Our runway here at GND is 9003. Condor uses their 763 from here to FRA. They use up about 7000ft of the runway on full flights. When their flights stop somewhere first, either TAB or POP, they use less cause they have less fuel on board.

The worst i have ever see was an L1011 for Air Transat. Fully laden non stop to YYZ. I thought the runway would have ended on it. (kidding) But it used up 85-90% of the runway.



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2642 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7242 times:

Funny you should mention that CaptainK..LOL

The event I am talking about at YMX occured with the same airline, Air Transat..hehe..altought it was a B757!

Maybe Air Transat exceed their MTOW's of their aircrafts...LOL

TheNoFlyZone



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