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Why No Ptvs In Klms New Business Class

Boeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

why isnt there any ptvs in klm new bussiness class on the new 777s?

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where are they planning to fly these aircraft if they dont even have ptvs in their bussiness class. most if not all the other airlines have ptvs in bussiness dont they? is this normal or no? im confused as to why they dont have ptvs! thanks

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Aq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

What makes you say that the WBC does not have PTVs? The economy class does! I'd venture to say that although many airlines (like Virgin, SQ, Cathay, JAL, etc.) are starting to put their screens on the back of seats (due to the larger sizes) the WBC for KLM features armrest PTVS.

Aq737

Theevidence From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

they're probably tucked away in the armrests..

Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

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they do in fact have a system similiar to what Aq737 describes...I was asked not to photograph them.

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Alexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

The PTV is probably in the armrest, like many other airlines' Business Class.

-alexchao

Boeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

o well i appologize bc i didnt see them in the picture and i saw the screens up above and i was confused! i appologize

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Pilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Why do they have the seat back pocket up so high? It just seems like stuff would come flying out if you hit severe turbulence.

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Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4438 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Do you think that it would be a wise move on Airbus and Boeing's part if they said that ALL future orders for B 744 pax versions as well as B 777s and A 330/340s and B 7E7 + A 380s must have PTVs in every seat to increase customer satisfaction? As these planes are mainly for long haul routes so having a ptv reduced boredom too and makes time fly by fast especially if you watch a long movie or maybe 2 in a row Big grin

Singapore 777 From Singapore, joined May 1999, 1006 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Well, it might not be that good an idea since certain airlines may not be willing to pay for the maintenance costs. These things cost money to maintain, and they also cost money since the airline needs to buy the rights to screen a movie or play a piece of music on the inflight entertainment system.

StarG From Indonesia, joined Mar 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Pilottim747: I would think the seat back pocket is high because it is hard to reach them if they are lower and the seat in front of you is in full recline.

By the way, it looks like KLM and Continental are using the same supplier for their new business class seats. A very similar version is offered in Continental's new BusinessFirst Class.

StarG

Dakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Yesterday I had the opportunity to see this 777 inside at Schiphol Airport, and it's true: the ptv are in the armrests. In the tourist class the screens are as usual in the frontseat.

SCRAMJET From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

It looks HORRIBLE! At least CO has 2-2-2 in BusinessFirst and NW's new A330 is 2-2-2. But 2-3-2 in KL's "New" WBC!? It's worse than it was before!

UN_b732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4286 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

What's the pitch/recline? SU has 2x3x2 on 772s. That says something.
The A333 is far superior to the 777 seat wise. THey knock off the flat bed stile.
-UN

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Mcmahonsmr From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

I'm not too impressed with KL's new 777 product. The cabin is not very appealing at all. The blue bulkheads aren't doing it for me. The J seats look very boxy - I'm just not taken with it....anybody else?

Virginia From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Have been to the sneak preview today of KLM's B777 have to admit that the WBC is 2-3-2 config what i really do regret that they have choosen for that option.
I am not impressed with that at all.Looks very plastic at the seats are not comfortable to me and indeed the PTV's are in the armrests.
For me the best row to sit is 18 behind WBC and 31 emergency exit.

Big surprise was the economy 3-3-3 but with 31 rows and one row 2-3-2 that is a lot of seats compared to other airlines.

But the new color looks awesome.

Greetings Virginia

Boeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

another thing i noticedis that the aisle are not wide at all. is this common in business classes? the ones that i ahve been on are not like this!

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Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Even if they have PTV's those seats look like plastic box's stuck to a chair. IMHO, Those seats do not look very comfortable.

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Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

The seatpockets/ privacy screen are so high because to seat slides down forward instead of moving back. It gives the passengers behind you more space left when you want to sleep & the passenger behind you doesn´t ..

The seats as used by CX, LH and others take away the space in front of you even more because the seat back is hard top & fixed, even if the passenger in front of you is inhe upright position.

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Also all the big screens flickering in the dark on the high fixed seatbacks can give a Las Vegas like look to the cabin, many passengers don´t like that all night...

The KLM/CO seat´ sleeping comfort is the same (it can go flat under a small angle). You have more living space left during day time (and then is when you need it.)

About the 2-3-2, the seats are as wide as on a 2-2-2 Airbus. The load factor in business is on average 60-70%. The seat are empty most of the times. Aisle passenger love the free middle seat next to them ...

ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5534 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Most business classes have their PTV's in the armrest. You have to press a butten and pull it out. At least in Swiss's business it is like this.

Klm From Norway, joined Mar 2001, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

As said, they do have PTV's... in the armrest...

klm

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SR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

For those folks that still need proof that there is a PTV, here you go.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=172745
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=172785

SR 103

ILoveORD From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

"The cabin is not very appealing at all. The blue bulkheads aren't doing it for me. The J seats look very boxy - I'm just not taken with it....anybody else?"

I really like the look of the cabin; especially the blue bulkheads. I think it's an awesome effect. It makes the cabin seem warm, friendly, and cozy. I wouldn't mind at all if KLM sent some of these 777s my way (ORD)...

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767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

The blue is nice...different...but the seats look pretty small and less than "cushy" for a business product -- or is this just an illusion?

Jrebel From Sweden, joined Aug 2000, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

"What's the pitch/recline?"

58" on the port and starboard sides, 60" in the middle.

johan

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