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Why No Ptvs In Klms New Business Class  
User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5423 times:

why isnt there any ptvs in klm new bussiness class on the new 777s?

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where are they planning to fly these aircraft if they dont even have ptvs in their bussiness class. most if not all the other airlines have ptvs in bussiness dont they? is this normal or no? im confused as to why they dont have ptvs! thanks


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User currently offlineAq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

What makes you say that the WBC does not have PTVs? The economy class does! I'd venture to say that although many airlines (like Virgin, SQ, Cathay, JAL, etc.) are starting to put their screens on the back of seats (due to the larger sizes) the WBC for KLM features armrest PTVS.

Aq737


User currently offlineTheevidence From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

they're probably tucked away in the armrests..

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5347 times:
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they do in fact have a system similiar to what Aq737 describes...I was asked not to photograph them.

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User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

The PTV is probably in the armrest, like many other airlines' Business Class.

-alexchao


User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

o well i appologize bc i didnt see them in the picture and i saw the screens up above and i was confused! i appologize


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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

Why do they have the seat back pocket up so high? It just seems like stuff would come flying out if you hit severe turbulence.

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4850 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

Do you think that it would be a wise move on Airbus and Boeing's part if they said that ALL future orders for B 744 pax versions as well as B 777s and A 330/340s and B 7E7 + A 380s must have PTVs in every seat to increase customer satisfaction? As these planes are mainly for long haul routes so having a ptv reduced boredom too and makes time fly by fast especially if you watch a long movie or maybe 2 in a row  Big grin

User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Well, it might not be that good an idea since certain airlines may not be willing to pay for the maintenance costs. These things cost money to maintain, and they also cost money since the airline needs to buy the rights to screen a movie or play a piece of music on the inflight entertainment system.

User currently offlineStarG From Indonesia, joined Mar 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

Pilottim747: I would think the seat back pocket is high because it is hard to reach them if they are lower and the seat in front of you is in full recline.

By the way, it looks like KLM and Continental are using the same supplier for their new business class seats. A very similar version is offered in Continental's new BusinessFirst Class.

StarG


User currently offlineDakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Yesterday I had the opportunity to see this 777 inside at Schiphol Airport, and it's true: the ptv are in the armrests. In the tourist class the screens are as usual in the frontseat.

User currently offlineSCRAMJET From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

It looks HORRIBLE! At least CO has 2-2-2 in BusinessFirst and NW's new A330 is 2-2-2. But 2-3-2 in KL's "New" WBC!? It's worse than it was before!

User currently offlineUN_b732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

What's the pitch/recline? SU has 2x3x2 on 772s. That says something.
The A333 is far superior to the 777 seat wise. THey knock off the flat bed stile.
-UN



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User currently offlineMcmahonsmr From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

I'm not too impressed with KL's new 777 product. The cabin is not very appealing at all. The blue bulkheads aren't doing it for me. The J seats look very boxy - I'm just not taken with it....anybody else?



User currently offlineVirginia From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Have been to the sneak preview today of KLM's B777 have to admit that the WBC is 2-3-2 config what i really do regret that they have choosen for that option.
I am not impressed with that at all.Looks very plastic at the seats are not comfortable to me and indeed the PTV's are in the armrests.
For me the best row to sit is 18 behind WBC and 31 emergency exit.

Big surprise was the economy 3-3-3 but with 31 rows and one row 2-3-2 that is a lot of seats compared to other airlines.

But the new color looks awesome.

Greetings Virginia


User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

another thing i noticedis that the aisle are not wide at all. is this common in business classes? the ones that i ahve been on are not like this!


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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Even if they have PTV's those seats look like plastic box's stuck to a chair. IMHO, Those seats do not look very comfortable.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

The seatpockets/ privacy screen are so high because to seat slides down forward instead of moving back. It gives the passengers behind you more space left when you want to sleep & the passenger behind you doesn´t ..

The seats as used by CX, LH and others take away the space in front of you even more because the seat back is hard top & fixed, even if the passenger in front of you is inhe upright position.

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Also all the big screens flickering in the dark on the high fixed seatbacks can give a Las Vegas like look to the cabin, many passengers don´t like that all night...

The KLM/CO seat´ sleeping comfort is the same (it can go flat under a small angle). You have more living space left during day time (and then is when you need it.)

About the 2-3-2, the seats are as wide as on a 2-2-2 Airbus. The load factor in business is on average 60-70%. The seat are empty most of the times. Aisle passenger love the free middle seat next to them ...



User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Most business classes have their PTV's in the armrest. You have to press a butten and pull it out. At least in Swiss's business it is like this.

User currently offlineKlm From Norway, joined Mar 2001, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

As said, they do have PTV's... in the armrest...

klm



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User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

For those folks that still need proof that there is a PTV, here you go.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=172745
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=172785

SR 103


User currently offlineILoveORD From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

"The cabin is not very appealing at all. The blue bulkheads aren't doing it for me. The J seats look very boxy - I'm just not taken with it....anybody else?"

I really like the look of the cabin; especially the blue bulkheads. I think it's an awesome effect. It makes the cabin seem warm, friendly, and cozy. I wouldn't mind at all if KLM sent some of these 777s my way (ORD)...



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

The blue is nice...different...but the seats look pretty small and less than "cushy" for a business product -- or is this just an illusion?

User currently offlineJrebel From Sweden, joined Aug 2000, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

"What's the pitch/recline?"

58" on the port and starboard sides, 60" in the middle.

johan


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