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Ansett 767s Are Being Broken Up!  
User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

In addition to the TWA 767s being broken up, we now have Ansetts entire fleet of 767s on the chopping block:


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You can see interior pics of the scrapping of VH-RME at the Sydney Airport message board, but I've been unable to find any exterior pics:

http://www.vpmag.com/yssy/viewtopic.php?t=4351

Wow...first the NWA MD80s (and now many others), then USAir 737-300 and 400s, and now 767s. 767s must not make good frieghters, why aren't cargo operators snapping them up? I know these jets are the ones that had the ridiculous oddball 3-crew cockpits that Ansett's suicidal union demanded. Is that why they couldn't sell them?

Shouldn't be too long before 757s are broken up too! Not a good time for 80s era jets.


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User currently offlineRmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Islandhopper,

The 3 man cockpits were converted to 2 man versions several years ago. The problem with the AN 762's is that they were used predominately on short legs and consequently have an extremely high amount of cycles clocked up against there airframes. RME has corrosion under a main fitting in the main wheel well. It is beyond economical repair.

Rmm


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

The Ansett 767-200s are among the oldest 767s around and have flown for about 20 years.........not extemely old but when you consider that Ansett used the 767 on short-haul domestic Australian services (opposed to long haul flights as many 767s operate) you realize that these airliners not only have lots of hours but also more take offs and landings than average. Add to that, most airlines worldwide are far more interested in the 767-300 and most airlines prefer the ER variants of the 767 family; thus, the market for the ex Ansett 762s is virtually non-existant. The only possible taker was probably a cargo carrier, and these particular 767s were probably not good candidates for conversion due to the reasons plus the corrosion issue mentioned above.

My opinion is that this is only the beginning- unless airlines in the near term future can expand quickly (due to increased demand or a sudden pickup in the world economy - neither of which is likely) we will see more and more aircraft like the 762, remaining DC10s and 1011s, 742s, A300/310s, MD80s and 732/3/4/5 being scrapped since, quite simply, no airline is interested in them and the cost of keeping them in the desert is adding up over time. Traditional major airlines are far more interested in new-build aircraft, regional jets and larger regional jets are making up larger and larger portions of airlines fleets worldwide, and 2nd tier carriers now have access to new equipment due to creative leasing and financing deals and are no longer interested in acquiring 20+ year old aircraft.


User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

Yes they simply have too many cycles on them and are too old. Th majority of Ansett's 767-200 fleet entered service in 1981/1982 and have been operated on short-haul sectors their entire lives. I flew on one in early 1997 and even back then it looked old.

User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3581 times:


The original five B767-277's (VH-RMD/E/F/G/H) were brought into service late '83/early '84. There are another two that were brought into Australian service in the mid-90's (VH-RMK/L - B767-204's) after flying for Britania if my memory serves me right (someone may be able to check the '204' type number).

So yes, the original ones are quite old. I think there is another issue (and again someone may be able to clarrify this for me) with depreciation of these aircraft. I believe that they write down the cost of commercial aircraft hulls in Australia over 20 years. This would mean the original aircraft are close to their fully written down value. I wonder if this will have a bearnig on price?

Anyways, regardless of what happens, in general, yesterdays commercial jetliners are tomorrows cookware.

B727-200.


User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Whilst we're on the topic of Ansett, what ever happened to their 727's when they were retired in early 1997? Were they too scrapped or did they go to another operator? Their 727's weren't even that old when they were retired, maybe even younger than some of their 767's.

User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Oh Gosh, TWA´s 767´s have been broken up?

Didn´t know that! Unbelievable!!!

Only the 200ER series or the 300ER series also?

Really hard to believe I´ve flown on N604TW and N605TW in March 2001 from CDG to JFK and back to CDG! Anyone knows the status of those two birds?
I really liked the TWA 767-200ER interior, though it seemed old and you very much felt like stepping back into the 80´s!
Maybe that´s why I liked it!?! LOL

Regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineRb211 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Hey, maybe they'll try to sell one on Ebay!


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User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Sad, but true:


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Only the 200ERs are being broken up, as far as I know. The 300ERs are quite a bit newer no? By the looks of things, the 300ERs still haven't found new homes. Here's a bunch sitting in Greensboro, NC:


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User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

I think the last of the 727s went to the US and were converted to freight operations. They then came back to Australia and actually flew for Ansett Air Freight. I think some of the Australian Air Express 727 freighters are the same planes with new registrations.

At the time AN went broke negotiations were underway to sell the 762 fleet to GECAS who planned to convert them to freighters for Airborne Express. Unfortunately the deal was not completed before AN went belly-up and 9/11 meant GECAS went cold on the idea and the planes were never sold.



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User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Hey IslandHopper,

...thank you very much for the information and for the pics, though I´m shocked now!!! Yeah it´s sad but true!!!

One of TWA´s 767-300ER used to be a Condor aircraft! Its registration was D-ABUX and it was one of the original 3 767´s for Condor delivered in 1991! The other two to be D-ABUY and D-ABUZ (the only one of the original 3 still with Condor)

D-ABUX later was N691LF with TWA.

TWA´s 767-200ER were all delivered between 1982 and 1984, not that old either!!!

Thank You!

L1011Lover


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Regarding ex-TWA 767s/757s.: AA has just parked a number of relatively new aircraft (mainly 757s built in the 90s).

User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

There are supposedly 10 ex-TWA -300ERs sitting in Greensboro, NC. All were built in the 90s. I'm sure these will eventually find new homes...but in today's market who knows!

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Did TWA have 10 767-300ERs in their fleet, I thought that they had 10 762s and about 5 763s........any info?



User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

I looked in the airlinerlist.com database, and TWA had 10 -300ER planes, all of which are parked in Greensboro. The most recent one was delivered in 1999! What a waste.

Six of the -200ERs were bought by Airborne Express (instead of the Ansett planes, I guess. No ferrying costs!) and converted into freighters, but it looks like about five orphans at VCV are lined up for dismantling.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

So there are now Ansetts 767-200s, Qantas early 767-238s, a few of TWAs 767s, and some 767s from Air NZ, UA and AA which are parked, likely to be scrapped soon or already being broken up.

The 757s of the same age are doing a bit better until now for some reason.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

According to the newest data available there are 91 (!) 767s either stored, scrapped or written off. I was surprised to read that, didn´t expect that it is so much.

I didn´t know also that ANA 767-281 JA8254 was w/o last year after a training accident. I guess thats also new to most of you here.


User currently offlineAirbus340313x From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Does anybody know the fate that awaits AC's 767 that are in the desert? We have quite a few in MHV. I think we are up to ten 762's that are parked, including 3 762's ER. They were all due for an H03 check, which is pretty heavy, around 2 months of maintenance.

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6453 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

One might imagine that the US Air Force might take advantage of many cheap second hand 767s on the market and refurbish and rebuild them as tankers.

Is it a completely stupid idea?

Well, it must be since it doesn't happen.

Does anybody know why it doesn't happen? Are they simply too warn out? Or are the structurally so different compared to the future KC-767 that a rebuilding program isn't feasible?



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

No way that they would take these second hand aircraft for tankers. They are all much too different from each other, let alone the KC767, and have too many hours/cycles on them. The only reason that the USAF would purchase them is for a cheap source of spare parts for the 767 tanker fleet, much like they did when they bought up nearly every 707 they could get their hands on to provide spares for the KC-135, E-3, TC-18 and C-137 fleets.

T.J.



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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5057 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Delta has some 767-200s including the spirit of Delta...man, that will be a sad day when they chop that one! But some of theirs are the real old ones, and used domestically - I wonder if DL will retire them?

I checked the construction list and so far there are NO 757s listed as scrapped so i guess thats a good thing.


bruce



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