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User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

If this topic has come up before and you can link me to a thread, just let me know...

Is Lockheed/Martin going to go back into the commercial aviation business or are they out of the picture for good? I wouldn't mind seeing a new Lockheed jet...but...I don't think it will happen.


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User currently offlineBeowulf From Singapore, joined Jul 2003, 730 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Hi,

I doubt it. Although the Lockheed Tristar may have been an excellent plane in terms of technique, it didn't do so well from a financial point of view.

Today, airlines are seeking fleets composed out of planes from one, maybe two manufacturers, to save on maintenance costs. Also with aircraft from the same manufacturer, e.g., Airbus, mixed fleet flying is sweet deal. Don't forget that the entire aviation market is changing and the future is still under some haze.

I think that if Lockheed were to re-enter the commercial aviation market, they would have to bring out a whole range of aircraft, not just one. Unless, of course, they produce an airplane that everybody wants and is unique. Right now with a hawkish U.S. government the military industry is well off, and I'm sure Lockheed benefits from them. Aren't they producing the Cruise Missiles? Maybe they need to be restocked?

Just my $0.02.

CU L8er,
Nick


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

I would absolutely LOVE to see Lockheed return. They have always been at the forefront of aviation technology, both military and civilian. The Tristar was, in some ways, 25 years ahead of the competition in some areas (such as fire retardant materials). Before that the Constellation and Electra were terrific aircraft (granted the Electra had an unusual problem at the beginning, but that was fixed).

But I am afraid that Lockheed got too badly burned with the Tristar, for a number of reasons, like dependance on a single engine supplier. 20 years after Tristar production has ceased, Lockheed really does not need civil airliner production.

But it would be sweet. And you can be pretty sure that, if they tried, it would not look much like today's stale offerings which all look alike.

Charles


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Lockheed's Board has consistently said every year they have absolutely no intention of commercial aviation persuits. At one point, they even mentioned they have turned down subcontracting ventures (non-risksharing).

I think they are quite happy with the cost-plus contracts and overrun provisions given by the military and space programs.

I thought they actually produced some commercial components for a while..but I got confused with the old Convair.....

Brgds.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Considering how badly burned Lockheed was by the L1011 program I seriously doubt that you will see them re-enter the commercial aircraft market.

User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Right! Turn the C5 into a commercial jet and the 380 would disappear from all discussion forums...


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

With Lockheed Martin's $100Billion defense contracts, it woul be very unwise to take another crack at the airliner market.


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User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

I hope that the L1011's are going to be rebuild again!



regrards,
AMS


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

A while back, there was some sketches on Lockheed's site about a "box-wing" double decker 600 seat airliner. I'm sure this will never happen though.


Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

More than likely, Lockheed may group up with another company while that other gets the glory. Case in point, Lockheed helped with the redesign of Concorde's visor setup from the original.


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Given the cutthroat pricing for new transport airplanes, the glut of late model 2nd-hand airplanes, and the hyper-cyclical nature of the airline industry, I don't think that the airliner market looks very appealing to Lockheed.





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