AWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3045 times:
Look at B6 in SAN there was no ticket counter space for them the airport authority forced HP to give up 2 counter spaces for B6. So I am sure if they really wanted to fly to CLE they could find a way to get a couple spaces from another airline by going to crying or whatever they do to get these airports to pamper them. Its not like SAN needed B6 we already have WN, F9, and HP all offering low fares.
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 37 Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3030 times:
You are correct JBLU, I remember reading the article awhile back. CLE did something to really turn them off, something to do with landing fees or gates or something. I remember all the CLE supporters were pissed and thats about all I can remember.
America West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2887 times:
CMH was also included in that list of cities likely to be served. The list used to be on their website in the FAQ section, but I haven't been able to find it recently. There is definately room for them since HP pulled out, but I haven't heard much about it lately.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2731 times:
I'm always amazed at how low CLE's cheapest tickets are compared to DTW's... for example, one can fly CLE-BWI for sub-$100 inclusive during WN's promotions, but that number stands at $250 ex-DTW. Is there even room for B6 in the CLE market? I always thought CLE was a low-fare hungary town anway - maybe the city would enjoy better success as a LCC's hub...
RiddlePilot215 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2710 times:
Ha, Cleveland is anything BUT cheap. As a matter of fact it's one of the more expensive airports to fly into. Continental has complained for years about the exhorbitant airport fees it incurrs while it's operated a hub in Cleveland(the city REFUSES to give cutback, even to the airline that provides over 75% of the traffic).
As for gate space, Cleveland has plenty of it. They've had plenty of it ever since Eastern and Pan Am folded up in '92. Pan Am occupied the northern end of Concourse A, and Eastern had gates in mid-concourse B, but since the two folded up Amerian and United have taken over the gates. United is all but non-existant at the airport. They have like 6 flights a day out of Cleveland, while American isn't far behind(note these airlines occupy at least 3 gates each, in their own concourse respectively). So if JetBlue wanted to serve Cleveland, I'm sure either American or United would be glad to sell gate space which ultimately wastes them money, American who could use the cash. Plus JetBlue would revitilize the A concourse! It's usually dead unless the usual 10 US Airways or 6 American flights, the 1 America West, or the daily CLE-LGW flight(customs is in Concourse A), or the very rare charters come through. Though I'm afraid nothing can save Cleveland Hopkins at this point... that airport is a lost cause.
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IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2679 times:
I'm not saying operational costs at CLE are cheap, I'm saying airfares are cheap. The cheapest restricted RT tickets to BWI (from CLE) and LGA (from CAK) routinely sell for sub-$100. After B6's mishaps at ATL, I question whether or not CLE would be the "right" market for them to immediately expand into.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2611 times:
(the city REFUSES to give cutback, even to the airline that provides over 75% of the traffic).
Actually, that is not true. The city, this past summer, cut landing fees by 18%, which, if I'm not mistaken, is about $.72 per 1000lbs landing weight. The cut is NOT permanent at this time, but Gordo told us in an employee meeting that CO and the city are looking at long-term ways to reduce the burden the carrier has in CLE as far as fees go.
As for gate space, Cleveland has plenty of it. They've had plenty of it ever since Eastern and Pan Am folded up in '92.
Not "plenty", but enough. Eastern was on Concourse B. That is now a well-used Concourse by AC, UA, DL and WN, and doesn't have any space to give. Neither does C or D, since CO and NW use all the spaces there. PA and TW were on A, and now that AA is stopping CLE-STL service this week, and with US no longer with the service it once had, there is room on A for B6 to use a gate or two.
United is all but non-existant at the airport.
I wouldn't call about 12 or so flights non-existent, but they're presence has shrunk greatly. I think they fly 2 flights a day to DEN now, about 5 to IAD, and about 6 or 7 to ORD.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2594 times:
FWIW, here's something I compiled awhile ago... it shows departures ex-CLE for scheduled airlines. Numbers reflect the PEAK days of the week during this fall -- keep in mind that CO's schedule can drop by as much as 50% on Saturdays:
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
Thanks for the corrections! I'm sure there's more...
I was hoping to see the B753 at CLE on Friday, but opted to travel on earlier flights (thus avoiding the evening departure/arrival times) instead... on the inbound of my trip on Monday, the pilot talked about diverting our B764 to CLE due to all the weather problems at EWR -- if that happened, I wonder if they would've deplaned us there, or continued onto EWR when the airport re-opened?
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2450 times:
People don't like it, PROSA, but the fact is that CLE is perfectly suited for RJ's. It's smack-dab in the middle of just about the entire country, at least as far as flying capabilities goes, and the fact is that CLE absolutely WOULD have been shut down as a hub, I'm sure, had RJ's not existed after 9/11 and the resultant depression that hit the airline industry.
Hopefully, things will improve for carriers, and CO can start putting more mainline service in-at least once a day on some routes that have all RJ's. That would be a start.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2432 times:
Blah! I was concerned about my bags making the connection... I usually don't check baggage, but I figured there was no way I was going to get away with 4 carry-ons + a baby. They made it via the outbound, but they've taken an extended vacation somewhere in Europe (or where ever the hell they're at) .