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User currently offlineCLEspotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 43 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Hello,

Does anyone know if jetblue would fly to CLE? If yes when do you think it would be? A month, 1 year, 3 years etc. thanks!

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User currently offlineCLEfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Is there any room ay CLE for JetBlue? I don't think there are any available gates or ticket counters. Are there?

User currently onlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3180 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 3462 times:
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I dont 100% remember if it was CLE or not, but I think it was. Didnt jetBlue look into CLE but get very snotty responses from the airport board at the time?

JBLU


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

As much as I would LOVE to see them in CLE, most likely CAK will get them first.


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User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Look at B6 in SAN there was no ticket counter space for them the airport authority forced HP to give up 2 counter spaces for B6. So I am sure if they really wanted to fly to CLE they could find a way to get a couple spaces from another airline by going to crying or whatever they do to get these airports to pamper them. Its not like SAN needed B6 we already have WN, F9, and HP all offering low fares.

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

You are correct JBLU, I remember reading the article awhile back. CLE did something to really turn them off, something to do with landing fees or gates or something. I remember all the CLE supporters were pissed and thats about all I can remember. Big thumbs up

User currently offlineCLEspotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

That really sucks. Maybe that now since the airport is changing all the fees then can hook JBLU. They made usairways give up gates that they didnt use so I think CLE could find space.

[Edited 2003-10-29 02:24:54]

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8377 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

JetBlue included CLE in a list of cities to likely be served by new EMB-190s. It's old news, I thought.

I wish people would stop all their "what-ifs" and just stick to facts. Let the executives run the airline, wishful thinking from people like us doesn't earn them any money.



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User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

CMH was also included in that list of cities likely to be served. The list used to be on their website in the FAQ section, but I haven't been able to find it recently. There is definately room for them since HP pulled out, but I haven't heard much about it lately.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

JetBlue is thinking of coming to CLE. Was talking to a B6 Captain taking a jump seat the other day, and he says that they're looking at CLE-JFK, and also at CAK-Florida, and plan to serve both.

When B6 comes in-I think it's a matter of time now-they'll go on the A Concourse, which is the must under-utilized of the three concourses.

One other CLE news: CO will lost Gate C-1 permanently, as the TSA is going to have some kind of control or Ops tower put in in that area. To make up for it, CO will be taking over Gate C-10 from NW.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Mike White's administration p*ssed off jetBlue. They *wanted* to come to CLE, but he stonewalled them.

redngold



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

He stonewalled JetBlue, and they didn't come; White stonewalled AirTran and they went to CAK. See a pattern here, and why CO and WN are so damn glad Mike White is gone.  Big grin

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

I'm always amazed at how low CLE's cheapest tickets are compared to DTW's... for example, one can fly CLE-BWI for sub-$100 inclusive during WN's promotions, but that number stands at $250 ex-DTW. Is there even room for B6 in the CLE market? I always thought CLE was a low-fare hungary town anway - maybe the city would enjoy better success as a LCC's hub...

User currently offlineRiddlePilot215 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 3116 times:
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Ha, Cleveland is anything BUT cheap. As a matter of fact it's one of the more expensive airports to fly into. Continental has complained for years about the exhorbitant airport fees it incurrs while it's operated a hub in Cleveland(the city REFUSES to give cutback, even to the airline that provides over 75% of the traffic).
As for gate space, Cleveland has plenty of it. They've had plenty of it ever since Eastern and Pan Am folded up in '92. Pan Am occupied the northern end of Concourse A, and Eastern had gates in mid-concourse B, but since the two folded up Amerian and United have taken over the gates. United is all but non-existant at the airport. They have like 6 flights a day out of Cleveland, while American isn't far behind(note these airlines occupy at least 3 gates each, in their own concourse respectively). So if JetBlue wanted to serve Cleveland, I'm sure either American or United would be glad to sell gate space which ultimately wastes them money, American who could use the cash. Plus JetBlue would revitilize the A concourse! It's usually dead unless the usual 10 US Airways or 6 American flights, the 1 America West, or the daily CLE-LGW flight(customs is in Concourse A), or the very rare charters come through. Though I'm afraid nothing can save Cleveland Hopkins at this point... that airport is a lost cause.



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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

I'm not saying operational costs at CLE are cheap, I'm saying airfares are cheap. The cheapest restricted RT tickets to BWI (from CLE) and LGA (from CAK) routinely sell for sub-$100. After B6's mishaps at ATL, I question whether or not CLE would be the "right" market for them to immediately expand into.

User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Neeleman spoke at one of the colleges (Cuyahoga Community?) in Cleveland last week and reiterated that CLE was in line for EMB-190 service sometime in the future. When and where were left unspecified.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

(the city REFUSES to give cutback, even to the airline that provides over 75% of the traffic).

Actually, that is not true. The city, this past summer, cut landing fees by 18%, which, if I'm not mistaken, is about $.72 per 1000lbs landing weight. The cut is NOT permanent at this time, but Gordo told us in an employee meeting that CO and the city are looking at long-term ways to reduce the burden the carrier has in CLE as far as fees go.

As for gate space, Cleveland has plenty of it. They've had plenty of it ever since Eastern and Pan Am folded up in '92.

Not "plenty", but enough. Eastern was on Concourse B. That is now a well-used Concourse by AC, UA, DL and WN, and doesn't have any space to give. Neither does C or D, since CO and NW use all the spaces there. PA and TW were on A, and now that AA is stopping CLE-STL service this week, and with US no longer with the service it once had, there is room on A for B6 to use a gate or two.

United is all but non-existant at the airport.

I wouldn't call about 12 or so flights non-existent, but they're presence has shrunk greatly. I think they fly 2 flights a day to DEN now, about 5 to IAD, and about 6 or 7 to ORD.


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

FWIW, here's something I compiled awhile ago... it shows departures ex-CLE for scheduled airlines. Numbers reflect the PEAK days of the week during this fall -- keep in mind that CO's schedule can drop by as much as 50% on Saturdays:

Air Canada
Toronto - 4 (DH1)

America West
Phoenix - 2 (A319, A320)

American
Chicago - 8 (5 ERJ, 3 MD80)
Dallas/Fort Worth - 5 (CR7)
Miami - 1 (MD-80)
NYC-LaGuardia - 5 (ERJ)

Delta
Atlanta - 8 (2 CRJ, 5 B732, MD88)
Cincinnati - 8 (2 FRJ, 3 CRJ, 3 B732)

Northwest
Detroit - 8 (2 SF3, 5 D9S, D95)
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 4 (3 D9S, D95)

Southwest
Balimore - 5 (3 733, 2 73G)
Chicago-Midway - 8 (1 735, 4 733, 3 73G)
Nashville - 4 (1 733, 3 73G)
Orlando - Saturday only
Phoenix - Saturday only
St. Louis - 3 (2 733, 73G)

United
Chicago-O'Hare - 6 (2 B735, 4 B733)
Denver - 2 (B735, B733)
Washington, D.C.-Dulles - 4 (CRJ)

USA 3000
Fort Lauderdale (begins December)
St. Petersburg - 1 (A320)
Ft. Myers - 1 (A320)

US Airways
Charlotte - 4 (2 CRJ, ERJ, 733)
Pittsburgh - 5 (SF3)
Philadelphia - 6 (CRJ)

Continental
BE1 - 45
ERJ - 160
735 - 6
733 - 14
73G - 6
M80 - 1
738 - 12
739 - 4
752 -2

Albany - 4 (ERJ)
Allentown PA - 3 (ERJ)
Atlanta - 5 (ERJ)
Austin - 1 (ERJ)
Baltimore - 4 (735, 73G, 738, 752)
Boston - 4 (735, 3x733)
Buffalo - 4 (ERJ)
Burlington VT - 1 (ERJ)
Cancun - Saturday only
Charleston WV - 3 (BE1)
Charlotte - 4 (ERJ)
Chicago-Midway - 5 (ERJ)
Chicago-O'Hare - 8 (ERJ)
Cincinnati - 5 (BE1)
Columbus - 4 (ERJ)
Dallas/Fort Worth - 3 (ERJ)
Dayton - 4 (ERJ)
Denver - 2 (ERJ, 733)
Detroit - 3 (ERJ)
Elmira NY - 3 (BE1)
Erie PA - 4 (BE1)
Flint - 4 (BE1)
Fort Lauderdale - 2 (733, 738)
Fort Myers - 2 (733)
Fort Wayne - 4 (BE1)
Grand Rapids - 4 (ERJ)
Greenvile/Spartanburg - 2 (ERJ)
Harrisburg PA - 3 (ERJ)
Hartford - 4 (ERJ)
Houston-Intercontinental - 6 (735, 733, M80, 738, 2x739)
Indianapolis - 5 (ERJ)
Kalamazoo - 3 (BE1)
Kansas City - 4 (ERJ)
Knoxville - 2 (ERJ)
Lansing - 3 (BE1)
Las Vegas - 4 (738, 2x739, 752)
Lexington - 2 (ERJ)
Los Angeles - 2 (738)
Louisville - 4 (ERJ)
Madison - 2 (ERJ)
Manchester NH - 4 (ERJ)
Memphis - 3 (ERJ)
Miami - 1 (73G)
Milwaukee - 5 (ERJ)
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 4 (ERJ)
Montreal - 3 (ERJ)
Nashville - 3 (ERJ)
New Orleans - 2 (ERJ)
NYC-Islip - 2 (ERJ)
NYC-JFK - 1 (ERJ)
NYC-LaGuardia - 9 (6 ERJ, 2 733, 738)
NYC-Newark - 6 (2 735, 733, 73G, 2 738)
Norfolk - 3 (ERJ)
Orlando - 2 (73G, 738)
Philadelphia - 4 (3 ERJ, 735)
Phoenix - 2 (733, 738)
Pittsburgh - 4 (BE1)
Providence - 4 (ERJ)
Raleigh/Durham - 4 (ERJ)
Richmond VA - 3 (ERJ)
Rochester NY - 3 (ERJ)
Saginaw - 4 (BE1)
San Antonio - 2 (ERJ)
San Francisco - 1 (738)
San Juan - Saturday/Sunday only
Seattle - 1 (73G)
South Bend - 4 (BE1)
St. Louis - 4 (ERJ)
Syracuse - 3 (ERJ)
Tampa - 2 (733)
Toledo - 4 (BE1)
Toronto - 4 (ERJ)
Washington, D.C.-Dulles - 3 (ERJ)
Washington, D.C.-National - 4 (3 ERJ, 73G)
West Palm Beach - 1 (ERJ)
Westchester County - 4 (ERJ)
Wilkes-Barre/Scranton PA - 3 (BE1)

[Edited 2003-10-29 16:06:28]

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

752 -2

And, at least till the end of this week, 753-2  Big grin

Austin - 1 (ERJ)

Actually, CLE-AUS runs twice a week at least 3 times a week, 925am, and 825pm.

Cincinnati - 5 (BE1)

Effective 1 November.

New Orleans - 2 (ERJ)

CLE-MSY is up to 3 a day on most days now.


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Thanks for the corrections! I'm sure there's more...

I was hoping to see the B753 at CLE on Friday, but opted to travel on earlier flights (thus avoiding the evening departure/arrival times) instead... on the inbound of my trip on Monday, the pilot talked about diverting our B764 to CLE due to all the weather problems at EWR -- if that happened, I wonder if they would've deplaned us there, or continued onto EWR when the airport re-opened?


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Ah, that's where you were. Josh and I couldn't figure out what happened to you. We thought you were to chicken-shit to show up.  Laugh out loud

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

I never realized just how RJ-dominated CO's operations at CLE really are.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

People don't like it, PROSA, but the fact is that CLE is perfectly suited for RJ's. It's smack-dab in the middle of just about the entire country, at least as far as flying capabilities goes, and the fact is that CLE absolutely WOULD have been shut down as a hub, I'm sure, had RJ's not existed after 9/11 and the resultant depression that hit the airline industry.

Hopefully, things will improve for carriers, and CO can start putting more mainline service in-at least once a day on some routes that have all RJ's. That would be a start.


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Blah! I was concerned about my bags making the connection... I usually don't check baggage, but I figured there was no way I was going to get away with 4 carry-ons + a baby. They made it via the outbound, but they've taken an extended vacation somewhere in Europe (or where ever the hell they're at)  Sad.

User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Did NW stop their MEM-CLE flights? I did not see it on the list. When I flew the route a short time ago I was on a DC-9.

25 IndustrialPate : NW no longer operates MEM/CLE.
26 N766UA : That list is a bit flawed, as was already pointed out. For example America West I beleive flies 757/A320, or at least did these past months. Also, Ame
27 IndustrialPate : The listing was taken from Novemeber as mentioned... AA has MD-80 service to ORD, likely displacing capacity from STL... HP won't be flying B757 into
28 N766UA : AA has MD-80 service to ORD No they don't. ORD is all ERJs at this time.
29 Post contains images IndustrialPate : No they don't. ORD is all ERJs at this time. For the third time... THE SCHEDULE IS FOR NOVEMEBER. It's NOT Novemeber! The MD-80 flights are likely dis
30 N766UA : Oh I thought you said from November, like of last year. Sorry bout that.
31 CLEspotter : Also, American doesn't have any more of it's own MD80 service except to STL, and that's going soon. Everything for them is ERJs and CR7s.... Really? W
32 Post contains images N766UA : CLESpotter: Didn't I just say they still fly it to STL?
33 CLEspotter : Yes but not from that part of the terminal! All STL flights go from the old TWA gates.
34 IndustrialPate : AA flies once-daily to MIA with an MD-80 currently.
35 Post contains images N766UA : Yes but not from that part of the terminal! All STL flights go from the old TWA gates. Not all. Yes, most, but not all. The MIA flight is at 9AM if I'
36 CLEspotter : So far I have not seen any STL flights go from places other then the old TWA gates. Soon those old TWA gates will be empty and If only they could of l
37 N766UA : I've seen Mad Dogs at AAs gates with TWA registrations and with those grey nose cones. They must be going to STL as we have no other MD80s late in the
38 SuperDash : JetBlue will add CLE when they want to get beaten up by Southwest again.
39 BoingGoingGone : CLE is a pretty small market. As a hub for CO, it still only ranks as a medium hub airport. It's a perfect 100 seater market. Kind of like Burbank, Mi
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