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Your Best Defense Against The Seat In Front Of You  
User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 12548 times:

This was mentioned on the Clark Howard radio show yesterday (see www.clarkhoward.com). Has anyone heard if this?

(I don't think this constitutes as an advertisement)

"Another popular device is the “Knee Bender,” which prevents the airplane seat in front of you from coming back on flights. The item costs $10 and apparently works like magic. Often, within minutes of takeoff, the person in front of you has moved his or her seat back into your chest. So this “Knee Defender” prevents that person from moving the seat back. The FAA says they are perfectly legal and fine to use, but some airlines, including Northwest, have banned them. Some people claim that they are entitled to use the “Knee Defender” because the seat space on most airlines is almost nil. But it is possible to find seats with more legroom and space. JetBlue and Southwest both give a lot more legroom than the traditional airlines, and JetBlue will soon offer more space. Airlines need to make sure people have a comfortable flight. Maybe then they would make some money."

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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 12270 times:

Or just jam your knees up against the seat in front and prevent them from reclining - not too comfortable, but beats having the inconsiderate b@st@rd lying in your lap. It seems to be a very European thing, flying lying down regardless of the time of day.

If I'm on a night flight, I will check with the person behind me when I want to recline right back, to make sure they don't mind too much - nobody ever has minded, and seemed to appreciate that I asked.



User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 12142 times:

Most coach seats only lean back abou 15-20 degrees. That's a maximum of about six-eight inches horizontal movement at the headrest. At the knee, it's less than two inches.

I'm sorry, but if you've got a problem when they lean back, you've got a problem when they're fully forward, too.

Southwest offers more leg room? Since when? And I seem to remember several threads on this forum talking about the seat pitch of B6 being smaller than other airlines flying the A320...



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 12068 times:

I rarely, if ever, recline, but the principle of this device incenses me. Everyone on board that aircraft is entitled to their seat and the full use of its capabilities. I agree that it's simple common courtesy to check with the person behind you if one wants to recline, but if someone interferes with the operation of my seat, I'm going to ask a flight attendant to intervene.

If someone is concerned about insufficient legroom, I see three easy options:

1. Sit in an emergency exit row.
2. Fly AA (or another increased pitch airline.)
3. Pay for the damn business class seat.

Coach tickets are cheaper for a reason. Unilaterally denying someone the ability to recline is not an acceptable reaction to the limitations of coach.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11984 times:

Given that the distance between the seatback in front of you and your knees is about 5 inches in many coach seats, 2 inches less is a lot...

Anyway, those seats move a lot more than that. At the top they move about 10-15". That's almost half the distance between the back of that seat and the back of yours, leaving you locked tight.

I can tell from frequent personal experience that even reading a book becomes impossible when someone throws his seatback in your face or chest, the distance is too small for that (and yes, I've gotten seatbacks against my knees and chin more than once).

The ONLY defense against it is an exit-row seat, unless and until airlines start welding the seatbacks upright.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11968 times:

YES Those of us over 6ft DO have a problem when they are not leaned back but its made MUCH worse when the inconsiderate jerk leans back. AAs MRTC is worth a few extra bucks but beware that does not include Eagle... Exit rows are great if you can get them too.. Business/first class is hard to get on an RJ and when it is available on non RJs its pretty damn expensive for a domestic flight. Go ahead and ask the flight attendant to intervene if I stick my knee in the back of the seat. I won't move it.. I hardly have anywhere else to put it and what's she gonna do? Toss me off the plane for that? Maybe they will find me a bigger seat. Apparently being fat, short, or anything else is a disability now so why not being tall?

User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11917 times:

I'm 6'2" and I can appreciate (and know firsthand) the discomfort caused by someone reclining their seat as far back as it'll go. That's a big reason why I don't do it myself. To an extent, I've been lucky that I have generally been able to avoid seats where I've been completely immobilized or unable to function.

My point is, though, that this device should have no place is a civilized society (not that that's necessarily what we inhabit.) Instead of unilaterally revoking someone's ability to recline, I would wager that 90% of all problems could be resolved with a few polite words.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11892 times:
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Some people claim that they are entitled to use the “Knee Defender” because the seat space on most airlines is almost nil

The key word there is "entitled." Most people nowadays claim entitlement to just about everything. Free upgrades. Bonus mileage for scratching their butt. Free tickets because their flight was 20 minutes late.

But denying someone the right to recline their seat is not something ANYONE is "entitled" to. I don't care if you're 7 feet tall, have a disability requiring a seeing eye octopus, or whatever. No one is entitled to prevent someone from reclining their seat, period.

As others have said, if you have a problem with this, buy a first class seat, try to get an emergency exit row seat, or just DRIVE to wherever you're going.

"....either way, I don't give a DAMN about what you think that you are entitled to!" - Col. Nathan Jessup (Jack Nicholson), A Few Good Men



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11817 times:

Has anyone got a picture of this device? This would be very useful on flights as long as it is comfortable and you hardly notice it's there (except for the result of the seat not coming back on your knee


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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6769 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11723 times:

I've been restrained before for attacking a b4st4rd who'd hit my head everytime I recline my seat while he reclines his!

I got a seat, I'm entitled to recline it. If the person behind me is polite and asks me not to, I won't... but on a 14hr flight, I don't want to spend the next morning looking for a physiotherapist.

While I feel sorry for tall people sitting behind inconsiderate passengers, this device should be made illegal! The use of this device is as inconsiderate as inconsiderate recliners. 2 wrongs don't make a right!

Mandala499



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User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11658 times:

Anyone got a link where i can go buy one? This clearly pisses enough people off I need to own one.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11621 times:

I believe you are entitled to recline your seat provided it does not cause physical harm to the passenger in back of you (highly unlikely or no seats would recline). If they have put a device on the seat for reasons other than the above (and can document it) you are entitlted to request, and expect, it's removal.

The 'I'm 6'-2" defense" is not applicable in this case. It's likely you should have chosen a first class seat that would be more appropriate for your stature. Not being able to afford the seat is not a defense either...but I suppose you could lobby the merits of 'height discrimination' or some such nonesense to a laughing court.....



User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11583 times:
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Anyone got a link where i can go buy one? This clearly pisses enough people off I need to own one.

If pissing people off on airplanes is your sole reason for living, just bring your dog or your baby instead.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 11568 times:

I'm 6'4 and just recently flew AMS - ORD - LAS and back on United. Their economy sucks. On the return flight ORD - AMS I had this guy in front of me who apparently wasn't feeling well. He had his seat reclined ALL the way during the WHOLE (night-)flight. Now I did not want to hit him over the head, which btw I was almost looking down on, 'cause the man was feeling sick. Had he been ok.......

@Elwood64151: when was the last time you ACTUALLY flew SW.
I did 10 days ago: LAS - LAX - LAS; their seats on 737-300 and -700 were MUCH more comfortable then UA 757 and 767, slightly wider and at least 2" more pitch. Seems you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, you just moan along with others.

Peter


User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11552 times:

Here at JetBlue we are removing a row of seats on all of our aircraft. We will now have 26 rows and some more legroom. All aircraft are due to be completed in November.



User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11524 times:

Wow Greg, we agree on something...lol

This is complete BS. You buy a seat, you can recline it. Don't like it? Recline your own. I don't care if your Manute Bol, when I was flying as an FA if I would have caught someone using one of those, not only would I take it, but you wouldn't be getting it back. Those seats are property of the airlines, not yours to modify as you see fit. As a passenger, if I catch anyone putting one of those on mine, the back of my seat won't be the only thing you'll have to worry about getting in your face.

Brian - SPOT THIS!


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11500 times:

The best defense against the seat in front of you is to request a bulkhead seat. Anyone who thinks I'm being "inconsiderate" for reclining the seat that I purchased is smoking crack.... and if you touch me or kick my seat because you don't like me reclining, you're going to have a lot bigger problems than having reduced "knee space" (that's not meant to be a physical threat btw). If you're not happy with the space the airline provides you, then as Greg mentioned, buy a first class seat or fly a different airline.


And speaking of first, I was flying in first on CO from PDX-EWR this past July, and had my seat reclined. The guy behind me, who had switched seats with his wife midway through the flight (she had been in the window, he in the aisle), insists on crossing his legs after moving behind me, so that his knee was pressed against the top back of my seat and the wall (ankle on the other leg). He then proceeded to kick/move my seat for the next 45 minutes. I was patient for awhile, but then realized he HAD to know what he was doing, so I turned around and asked him to stop. He then PUNCHED the back of my seat! This is a middle-aged, business-type. I angrily told him that was completely uncalled for and rude and called for the flight attendant, who after assessing the situation, asked me if I would mind raising my seat just a little because "the gentleman behind you is insisting on having has his legs crossed", and then asked the guy to please stop bumping my seat. I obliged, but I think the situation embarrassed the guy enough that he stopped acting like a 2-year old and didn't bump my seat again.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11490 times:

Wow, I certainly hope that I don't end up on a flight with StartValve, not because I am scared he won't let me lean back, but he embodies exactly what too many people in society try to accomplish these days, just seeing how much they can piss others off for amusement.

I agree that every airline should ban those useless contraptions. The seats recline for a reason, and not very far. I usually recline mine partially, but not all the way, just depends on if I am trying to read, work on my laptop, or sleep. Unless I am stuck sitting right in front of an exit row, I WILL recline.



A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11452 times:

BTW,
I found the best defense against a full-reclining seat in front of me is just a little game.
YES, I play with my tray: UP - DOWN - UP - DOWN - UP - DOWN - UP - DOWN, specially when the person in front is about to fall asleep. Adjustable PTV's are also great toys: IN - OUT - IN - OUT - IN - OUT - IN - OUT.
Nobody can do anything about that.
If I can't be comfortable, neither will the a**hole in front of me.

Peter


User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11432 times:

Has anyone been able to find this thing online? I'm curious to see what it looks like.

NS



United 717 heavy, you're facing the wrong way. Any chance you can powerback to get off of my deice pad?
User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11431 times:

Northwest Airlines has already banned the product from use on board it's airplanes.

``We have tested this product on several seat types and find that when installed, should someone try to force the seat to recline, the tray table assembly can break,'' said Mary Stanik, a Northwest spokeswoman. ``If the seat is damaged, including the tray table, in flight, it may adversely affect passenger evacuation in the event of an emergency.'' --The Associated Press

American and Delta are still looking into it and hasn't made a decision.


User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11418 times:

I am just curious... how does using a function that the airlines have built into their seats constitute being an a**hole?


A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineDispatch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

Here you go, a complete manual:

http://www.kneedefender.com/html2/how_to.htm

And it is indeed KNEE DEFENDER

Peter


User currently offlineKempa From Brazil, joined Aug 2003, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11401 times:

Whoever thinks I am not going to recline my economy class seat during a 9-hour overnight flight is nuts. If you walk through the cabin around 3:00AM you will see that 99% of the seats are fully reclined. They are designed to offer you a certain degree of comfort (not much) while not interfering too much with the space for the passenger behind you. You are paying for economy class transportation, which is taking you from A to B, no frills. Extra comfort for extra price. You want to cross your legs, pay for business class, you want to lie down to sleep, pay for first.

Using a device to limit how much the seat in front of you can recline is ridiculous and inconsiderate. All passengers have the right to use the space from the back of the seat in front of them (wherever the passenger in front decides to put it) to the front of their own seat (wherever you decide to put it).

There are plenty of options for tall people, and people who can't keep their legs uncrossed: if it is a real problem, mention it when you purchase the tickets, at the check-in counter, or at the gate, ask for a bulkhead or exit row, but don't expect it. The airlines want to accommodate you better, within limits.


User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11398 times:

If I can't be comfortable, neither will the a**hole in front of me

Seriously dude, stop being so self centered and recline you own chair. Problem solved.

Might I also suggest going to church and asking God to help you with your priorities in life. Honestly...

Brian - SPOT THIS


25 Customs172 : If I try to lean my seat back and someone sticks their knee in the back. They are probaby going to get a crushed knee. I can't understand how some peo
26 Dispatch : NonRevKing, problem NOT SOLVED: if I recline my seat my head will fall into the lap of the person behind me, it sticks out anyway. I DO HAVE considera
27 Ops48 : If someone felt entitled to clip this thing onto my seat, I would feel equally entitled to remove it and snap the $9.95 piece of plastic crap in half.
28 NonRevKing : Um, yes, problem solved. That's why most, of not all seats recline. Everyone pays for the same seat, it's fair. You buy the space from full upright to
29 Prebennorholm : Being 6'2" I of course often have that stupid problem. More than 20 years ago I developed a method which has worked until this day: When the seat in f
30 Triscl : OK- as long as the owner of one of these devices doesn't plan on reclining their own seat. If someone behind me asks me nicely to keep my seat up I wi
31 Bobrayner : Why do airlines install reclining seats in the first place? The airline which is first to invent the uninclineable seat, they will have me as their mo
32 Post contains images Dispatch : Preben, until now I always said no to a newspaper, simply because I figured, were will I put that. NOW I KNOW, thanks a lot, I will use your advice in
33 CRJmx : I have no problem with people use the features of a seat, but how about some courtesy? I don't like it when people lay the thing all of the way back,
34 Jwenting : So you'd be happier if an airline offered you less comfort? Bob, that airline would offer MORE comfort. I (and many others) never recline their seats
35 Aaer 777 : I can hardly believe it... A lot of youze guys are getting all worked up about seat recline... My oh my. Well I suppose it's better to read this than
36 Prebennorholm : It's unbelievable, there are people out there who are so polite and have so good manners that they knock on a door before they walk in. But on an airl
37 Ntspelich : But on an airliner the same people sometimes slams their seat onto the lap of another person without even asking for permission first. The way I see i
38 TWFirst : >>...slams their seat onto the lap of another person
39 Proudtoflyaa : I've found I don't mind somebody reclining if I don't have a bag under the seat in front of me. Yes, I'm one of those who puts both of their bags in t
40 Caetravlr : I do agree with people getting upset about the people who "slam" their seat back, I am not tall, and have no issues with the recline, however, when th
41 Post contains links Prebennorholm : That knee defender on http://www.kneedefender.com is a very fine little safety device. A real gem. My company is very conscious about the safety of ou
42 Adh214 : I can verify the laptop issue. A couple times, I have had a vigorous seat recliner in front of me almost total my laptop with the velocity that they r
43 NonRevKing : Prebennorholm Great, buy 'em up. Have plenty of spares cause I promise you if the person in the seat in front of you catches it, it'll be history. Use
44 Dispatch : A little o/t: If a passenger reclines his seat vigorously without warning, and he indeed damages/destroys a laptop being used behind that seat, who pa
45 Staffan : Haha, the stuff some people think up. Might be a good idea if the person in front of you insists on not caring about your comfort. Staffan
46 Shortfinals : I've got an idea, but it would probably cost a lot of money to implement. It's from the newer generation C class seats that slide forward when recline
47 Post contains images Amhilde : Frankly I find the reclined seat really uncomfortable on my back- I usually have to stuff three mini pillows back there on a long haul flight to make
48 Post contains images Dispatch : Shortfinals, sounds ok to me. The world upside down, somebody tapping your shoulder:"Could you please recline your seat, I can use the extra space" Pe
49 Post contains links Prebennorholm : I think that we should all write a mail to all the airline companies we know and encourage them to buy those http://www.kneedefender.com things and pu
50 DeltAirlines : I would be annoyed if someone behind me used this product, and nor would I use it on anyone. I paid for my seat, so I deserve to be able to use it to
51 Staffan : It says nowhere either that I'm not allowed to play around with my tray during the flight. I bet a little bit of common sense can solve 99% of what ot
52 Prebennorholm : Dear DeltaAirlines, are you also one of the who ask for a refund when you happen to be seated on fixed seats on the backmost seat row or in front of e
53 AIR757200 : Prebennorholm, NW has already banned this product. Read my earlier post.
54 Highguy76 : As a FA, if I were called upon to intervene in a passenger argument involving one of these devices, I would suggest that the person with the device no
55 Startvalve : While people want to go on a rant about what they are or are not entitled to it is my right to jam my knee against your seat so you cannot recline. IF
56 Post contains images EA CO AS : I think that we should all write a mail to all the airline companies we know and encourage them to buy those http://www.kneedefender.com things and pu
57 Post contains images Cancidas : i fly in the cokcpit, then there is no one in front of me. [Edited 2003-10-30 00:30:29]
58 Jeffrey1970 : I agree that it is not right to put this product on the seat in front of you. It is not courteous since you did not buy that seat in front of you. How
59 Post contains images LastBaron : I am just curious... how does using a function that the airlines have built into their seats constitute being an a**hole? 1. Airlines do not have thes
60 Prebennorholm : Now this threat has had all it can take from the small guys, who want to lie down and sleep, and the tall guys who hate to have their knees compressed
61 Prebennorholm : LastBaron: The basic coach seat in commercial jets is a largely unchanged design that was originated by Boeing in the late 1950s and has changed littl
62 Post contains images EA CO AS : But my legs grew longer since 1958. Look on the bright side...from here on out, you'll be shrinking a bit.
63 Nonrevman : My solution to this? If I find out I am in front of someone who is tall and obviously cramped by the seat, I will offer to switch places with them. I
64 Ntspelich : Alright, let's all just face it. If everyone used common sense and practiced a little more common courtesy, there'd be no need for a product like this
65 LastBaron : Preben, Good point! And yes, some coach cabins are even down to 28" pitch... but that still does not mean the basic design of the seats has changed. T
66 Prebennorholm : AIR757200: NW has already banned this product. (the knee defender). Yes, I noticed that. But that's certainly not a reason not to use them. If airline
67 Ctbarnes : The central problem here is that economy class on most flights is unbelievably appalling. If there were a minimum of 32in seat pitch in economy it wou
68 Prebennorholm : LastBaron: some coach cabins are even down to 28" pitch... Dear LastBaron, is that really correct? Oh my God. I never heard about anything less than 2
69 LastBaron : Dear Preben - try Air TransAt. They run out of Canada a lot and also run planes to the Azore Islands, I believe also to Europe. They apparently have t
70 NonRevKing : It really is no more complicated than that. Yes it is. You have no right to inconvenience someone for your own comfort. You can recline your seat too,
71 Prebennorholm : Dear Ctbarnes, being 6'2" - same as you - I agree in every word you wrote. Very well written. The problem is how we convince airlines that it is good
72 LastBaron : Can someone please tell me what BRIAN - SPOT THIS means? I have been seing these all over lately... just curious...[Edited 2003-10-30 02:34:35]
73 Prebennorholm : Mr. Oliver Wendell Holmes of the US Supreme Court probably said it best when he said: The right to recline my seat ends where the other man's knee beg
74 737doctor : This device will be short-lived. I fully expect most other airlines to follow Northwest's lead and ban it. From a MX standpoint, I can see how someone
75 Post contains images LastBaron : No one is entitled to restrict someone else from using the full capabilities of the seat for which they paid.Paying for something does not give anyone
76 Nonrevman : I dare to venture that all of the people predicting the demise of this device are short I am 6 feet exactly. No, it is not super tall, but I would not
77 UAL777 : I have flown United economy many times and I am also 6'2". I do not find it that bad because I have developed a trick to give myself more legroom. In
78 737doctor : Call it insensitivity if you will, but I think it is a greater indictment of our society that this device exists at all. Whatever happened to common c
79 Startvalve : When I placed my order for 4 of these things for my next flight I was noticing how small they are. If you sit in the window seat and put them on the w
80 AIR757200 : So theoretically you could use it on NW, your leg will hide the device from anything but a pretty detailed look. I think then NW should reserve (and
81 767Lover : Pro-defenders: I don't know -- according to the literature you have to have your tray table down for the knee defender to work. I think that having to
82 NonRevKing : You may be surprised just how stupid most people are No that doesn't surprise me anymore. What does is the extent some people go to be self centered.
83 JGPH1A : Non-Rev-King Re: You have no right to inconvenience someone for your own comfort EXACTLY my point - you have no right to inconvenience me for your own
84 GSPSPOT : I'm sorry.... I know I'm a late-comer to this topic, but Southwest?? More room than other airlines????? I've flown them several times (last time was 3
85 MarcJet66 : It's really strange to see someone saying that they are entitled to interfere on other people paying space. How come someone can tell me how I should
86 TranStar : I was on a flight to London from Dulles on United. The guy across the aisle (above 6 feet) was pissed because he didn't get an upgrade. So he argued v
87 Jgardiner : Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it. Yes, your seat does recline. It also unbolts from the floor, so what? are you going
88 Skymonster : Its really simple for those who object to recliners in front of them. You need to think of it this way - that six inches or so that the seat in front
89 RB211 : I'm "6-2" and what I've learned to do whenever I get coach is to take turns pushing my knees into the back of the seat just below the tray table, or w
90 Post contains images Elwood64151 : I'm only 5'11", but I have no neck and at the shoulder I'm as tall as someone who is 6'2-3". My dad is the same way: 6', shoulder-high is the same as
91 NonRevKing : EXACTLY my point - you have no right to inconvenience me for your own comfort by reclining your seat into my lap. If you have the courtesy to canvas m
92 Highguy76 : LastBaron mentioned that FAs may hate this topic, but I don't. It's an interesting discussion, and I am glad we are having it here, rather than on a 3
93 GSPSPOT : We're looking at this all wrong, folks.... If the airlines provide reclining seats for the comfort of their passengers, the LEAST they could do is ens
94 Post contains images Mandala499 : "Interesting" argument lacking in consideration by the extremes of each side here... Here's what the Knee Defender has on it's site. "If you are 5'2"
95 Prebennorholm : Dear Highguy76, glad to see you back again. I asked you a question many posts ago, I'll do it again. How would your workday change if those Y seats we
96 4holer : I've found that I sneeze if I yank out a nose hair. If someone reclines into my lap I begin to sneeze until the person's face is out of my lap. (If th
97 EA CO AS : The dwarfs may insist that they bought the right to lie down and sleep on coach. Preben- Putting the "dwarf" comment aside, I need to point out that y
98 Post contains images NonRevKing : I'll just turn around and hand them this... Brian - SPOT THIS!
99 Prebennorholm : Earlier I posted a quotation of Mr. Oliver Wendell Holmes of the US Supreme Court: The right to recline my seat ends where the other man's knee begins
100 Dispatch : NonRevKing, it's about time YOU go to church and learn about tolerance to your fellow passengers. Peter
101 Elwood64151 : 4holer: That's probably about the most thoughtful and sensible post I've read (I've skipped a few, so nobody get angry), including my own previous pos
102 TWFirst : You've got to be kidding... now you've turned this into a political argument, and into a U.S. vs. Europe thread???? Any credibility you had is now com
103 Triscl : This is strangely reminiscent of the obesity/extra seat issue. ie- physical traits that affect your comfort and that of those around you. I offer thre
104 Upgradeplease : Nonrev: You took the words right out of my mouth! I had to register just so that I could let you know how much I agree. If I am in coach then I am alr
105 Dispatch : If I am in coach then I am already upset because there was no upgrades or f/C NO COMMENT Peter
106 Prebennorholm : Dear Triscl, you are a hundred percent right. And that's what I do every time. That's what all tall and seasoned airline customers do. (except your jo
107 Prebennorholm : Ha-ha-ha Upgradeplease, I like your sense of humor. I wish I could see the grin on your face. And you should have seen mine. Welcome on a.net!!! Somet
108 Upgradeplease : Funny thing is I am totally serious! Don't get in my way of reclining and enjoying my flight. I don't have to ask if I can recline but you better ask
109 EA CO AS : Earlier I posted a quotation of Mr. Oliver Wendell Holmes of the US Supreme Court: The right to recline my seat ends where the other man's knee begins
110 TWFirst : Amen and hallelujah EA CO AS!
111 CactusA319 : Dispatch, Lighten the hell up dude!
112 Kl911 : Upgradeplease, ''I am already upset because there was no upgrades or f/C Are you totally ok in your head? No problems? You really sound like a selfish
113 Upgradeplease : kl911: As a matter of fact I am selfish and arrogant but I am anything but little. If having enough miles or money to upgrade makes me a bastard then
114 4holer : Upgradeplease, Thank you for settling the question for everyone about which end of the issue is the ass.
115 Startvalve : I had no idea there were so many people out there with such a severe Napoleon complex. I fail to see where this is even a debate, the device exists, u
116 Post contains links Dispatch : A little o/t: @Upgradeplease: Professianal Disc Jockey This is in your profile. MAN, you can't even spell it right. Check out link: http://website.tie
117 Jafa : I am 6'2" FA, who travels space available to go to and from work. Often I get a middle seat in coach and very rarely a First Class seat. Sometimes its
118 Post contains images CPH-R : Actually, I'd rather claim that Sasha or Danny Tenaglia is the best DJ in the world, but nevermind that.. I don't get people obsession with seat pitch
119 Flybynight : You pay for the seat. The seat reclines. You have the right. It is nice to put it upright during meals, otherwise, go ahead and recline. I'm surprised
120 Obithomas : I'll save this discussion to show my wife whenever she says I'm a spendthrift for buying business or first class tickets on any flight over 6 hours du
121 Yyz717 : Or just jam your knees up against the seat in front and prevent them from reclining - not too comfortable, I'm 6-2...that's exactly what I do. It can
122 Post contains images Lehpron : "Your Best Defense Against The Seat In Front Of You" Bring a child [that recently learned to talk and likes to]
123 Alpha 1 : Or just jam your knees up against the seat in front and prevent them from reclining - not too comfortable, but beats having the inconsiderate b@st@rd
124 Captaingomes : If you're too fat to fit in a seat without encroaching onto the space of another person, you buy two seats. This is logical. If you're too tall that y
125 Acvitale : Banned by Northwest... Will be banned by Delta, Continental, United, American by the end of next week Being studied by Southwest and US Air Expect all
126 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Al, you're as astute as always. Nice to see you on the forum.
127 Yyz717 : Reclining a seat has little to do with personal space for the person reclining the seat, but rather about general comfort. Sorry Nuno, I disagree, not
128 Captaingomes : Neil, curtesy goes a long way. I'm 5'10, so I'm not tall, nor really short either. 99% of the times, I don't "need" more space. For instance, on that
129 Post contains images Yyz717 : LOL Nuno.....I wasn't refering to you personally. I agree with everything you say, to a point. I guess it's not clear just whose cubic space is it beh
130 Elwood64151 : Prebennorholm: Missed your first statement. Here's what I have to say: You're completely mis-understanding Holmes. His statement had nothing to do wit
131 Post contains images Captaingomes : If common curtesy doesn't prevail, then just start a fist-fight. Passengers and airline stuff love it when that happens.
132 Caravelle : Knees up! And keep at it! Keep pushing! - caravelle
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