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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Was checking reservation systems and I have found BOS-FCO with AZ nonstop for next summer?

Can anybody confirm this? This would confirm that AZ would be interesting in adding North America-FCO routes.

Montreal-Rome is a possibility next summer, discussions between AZ and the ADM are currently in progress.

Mark

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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

BOS-FCO could be a delta codeshare, but it could also be AZ. I hope they add more FCO routes. MXP-SFO is a rumor. Maybe FCO-SFO could come too.

User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

The last thing AZ needs is to add flights out of such a low yield market as FCO.
They should focus on MXP, which is the main Italian airport.
FCO-SFO doesn't make any sense, since SFO is a popular leisure destination for Italian pax (most of them are in Northern Italy).


User currently offlineSarrebal From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

AZ management has clearly said that any extra FCO service would be strictly seasonal

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

This has been talked about for a while, IIRC. I have heard it is happening. A while back, Alitalia consolidated most of thier long-haul flying to Milan. However, lately, they began adding a lot more long-hauls out of Rome. Alitalia "split" frequencies to Tokyo Narita, Osaka Kansai, Sao Paulo, and Caracas last year between the two (at one point, MXP-KIX did not operate at all; I think it re-started very recently). There have been rumours for a while now that they were going to add Boston and re-add Miami to Rome's long-hauls. Boston as a second seasonal flight, Miami as a split with Milan (5x MXP/2x FCO). Rome airport authorities have pushing for Boston and Miami for a long time. No luck with Miami, though, because Alitalia carries a strong amount of business traffic on the route and will not split it.


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Weird about Rome. The ADM is in talks with AZ for YUL-FCO, on a seasonal basis.

I would assume that if AC doesnt want YYZ-FCO back, AZ will jump all over it.

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Weird about Rome. The ADM is in talks with AZ for YUL-FCO, on a seasonal basis.

Yawn. More YUL glossing. Clearly, AZ has opted for BOS, not YUL.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Neil im trying to make a point.

Alitalia is definitely looking to start some operations out of FCO for the summer months. They are already on the sked for BOS, and if AC doesnt not attempt to go back to FCO on the YYZ/YUL-FCO, AZ would most likely take over from there... lot of potential on these routes, in terms of load factor.. yield is not so good tho.

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Mark, no one cares if the ADM is in talks with AZ etc. It means nothing. What counts is when flights are added. The ADM seems to be desparately chasing every airline anyway.

AC doesnt not attempt to go back to FCO on the YYZ/YUL-FCO, AZ would most likely take over from there... lot of potential on these routes, in terms of load factor.. yield is not so good tho.

Wy is there potential? Canada-Italy traffic has fallen since the 1980's since most Italian Cdns are now 2nd and 3rd generation and hence travel to Italy less. There is not "lots of potential".

YYZ received a daily AZ 742 and CP D10 from FCO in the late 70's.....much higher capacity than today.

It's a shrinking leisure market. Stop glossing it up.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Firstly, AZ has approached the ADM because when AC proposed a YUL-FCO last summer with AZ codeshare, the sales caught AZ's attention... no whether or not you buy it is up to you.. and frankly I dont care because im not here to spread misinformation.

Its not just 2nd or 3rd generations Italians living in Canada that visit, Rome is one of the world's biggest tourist destinations. If YYZ-FCO is gonna go completely unserved next summer, you better bet that at least AZ would want a piece of it. AC hasnt programmed anything in their res.system yet for FCO.

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Its not just 2nd or 3rd generations Italians living in Canada that visit, Rome is one of the world's biggest tourist destinations.

Then why has Italy-Cda traffic plummeted since the 70s's? It's a shrinking market Mark.


Firstly, AZ has approached the ADM

Whatever, it's completely irrelevant until flights start. Stop YUL glossing.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

How do you know its plummeted? Where are your sources?

Are you assuming that it has because AZ once operated a 742 (back in teh days where it was losing more money tan AIr Canada), or because Crown corporate CP air had a daily YYZ-FCO on it?

Italy is one of the top 2 or 3 destinations pair from Canada, in terms of travel to Europe. 1st being the UK, 2nd France.

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

How do you know its plummeted? Where are your sources?

The drastic drop in seat capcaity since the 70's on Italy-Cda flights. The market is shrinking.

UK, France & Germany are the biggest Euro destinations. Italy is a distant 4th or 5th.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

The 70s isnt indicative of anything... these are the days of unprofitable/crown corporate prestige routes....

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

The 70s isnt indicative of anything... these are the days of unprofitable/crown corporate prestige routes....

CP was private sector...they ran a mix of 742 and D10 to Italy then.

The market is shrinking. There is little potential.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Little potential.. everybody stop your flights to Italy.. AZ/TS/SSV stop right now, there is LITTLE potential.

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Normally I don't comment on pissing matches that don't involve myself, but can you gentlemen please stop arguing on every post that crosses the wire?

User currently offlineVCE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

It's nice to visit the Colosseum in Berlin or the St. Mark's Square in London..:P

User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

And the weekly YUL vs YYZ starts again for our joy...

No YUL service at the horizon, no YYZ freq addition at the horizon. Period.

DaV



Two monologues do not make a dialogue
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2648 times:

Nothing showing for BOS-FCO direct service any time next summer on published schedules. Nor on ARCO...

1AZSD01APRBOSFCO
** AZ - ALITALIA **
NO DIRECT FLTS


User currently offlineLHR001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Look for MXP-SFO on Alitalia
(Strong rumor with Italian Travel Agents)

Look for MXP-IAD on Alitalia
(Strong rumor with Italian Travel Agents)

Look for FCO-CVG or FCO-BOS on Delta Airlines
(Delta Airlines was to commence FCO-BOS in 2003, never got off the ground)


User currently offlineMatt777 From Cayman Islands, joined Oct 2001, 503 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

"Look for MXP-SFO on Alitalia
(Strong rumor with Italian Travel Agents)

Look for MXP-IAD on Alitalia
(Strong rumor with Italian Travel Agents)"

With the entry of the new 777-200ER those will be possible.
Regards,
Matt Big thumbs up


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Alitalia has wanted to return to San Francisco using the 777, for about a year now.

Alitalia, originally operated the route in 1999-2001 using the 767-300ER, there were many problems with the pax/cargo restrictions.

Alitalia, served Los Angeles.. althought compared to the San Francisco flight. Los Angeles was for tourism, verses San Francisco for business!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Look for FCO-CVG or FCO-BOS on Delta Airlines

BOS-FCO is still a possibility with DL, but CVG-FCO is not any more.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Alitalia, served Los Angeles.. althought compared to the San Francisco flight. Los Angeles was for tourism, verses San Francisco for business!

No, the San Francisco flight was full of tourists and VFRs, not "for business". Despite Italy being the world's seventh largest economy, the business market between Italy and the United States is fairly small. It mainly exists between Milan and New York City/Newark (for obvious reasons) and Milan and Miami (fashion industry), hence those are Alitalia's 777 destinations (MIA eff. 01Jan).



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25 Lhr001 : MAH4546, For you having lived in San Francisco... you sure haven't much knowledge as to Industry, and Italians in the area! You are saying Alitalia wi
26 MAH4546 : Miami for fashion? .... news flash - Miami for leisure! News flash! Miami for fashion. Alitalia's daily Miami-Milan service caters strongly to the fas
27 Lhr001 : If you know Alitalia... talk about it! If not... stop guessing! See the forum - SFO2004! Re- San Francisco
28 MAH4546 : Kl, perhaps you should go work for Alitalia and explain to them how they should keep profitable destinations like San Francsico and Los Angeles and di
29 Lhr001 : The Los Angeles - Milan/MXP flights were always full... 747-200, 747-200 Combi, MD-11 Combi The San Francisco - Milan/MXP flights were not always full
30 MAH4546 : The Los Angeles - Milan/MXP flights were always full... I never have disputed that. I am positive they were. Yet they still were a money looser for Al
31 LHR001 : MAH4546, You stated! ----No, the San Francisco flight was full of tourists and VFRs, not "for business". Despite Italy being the world's seventh large
32 LHR001 : MAH4546, You are correct in yield playing a MAJOR role! The Los Angeles flights were originally operated 3 x a week on 747-200 Combi! The Los Angeles
33 WorldTraveler : There will be news on new US- Rome service within the next few days, if not hours.... stay tuned. Hint: ConcordeBoy doesn't have the full story.
34 Potomac : i believe alitalia already announced seasonal service to IAD at least a month ago
35 MAH4546 : You stated! ----No, the San Francisco flight was full of tourists and VFRs, not "for business". Despite Italy being the world's seventh largest econom
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